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Who is more broken: Madara or Aizen?
- Thread starter Uzumaki Goku
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I think Madara couldn’t do the infinite tsukuyomi while he was a zombie though? He needed to be alive to absorb the ten tails and when Obito failed he needed to do it himself. He was less interested in more power cause he was always powerful, what Madara wanted was to put everyone in the Matrix because he thought that would create world peace (until oops it was all aliens).
I voted for Aizen because he was broken in a way that spawned much mirth and memes
Madara was just boring.
Madara was just boring.
The fight sequences are much much better with Madara, no question. And his commanding presense was cool.
But I really like Aizens design and his complete hypnosis and all according to plan . Even tho he is less competently written. Aizen just looked cool until last fight with ichigo
But I really like Aizens design and his complete hypnosis and all according to plan . Even tho he is less competently written. Aizen just looked cool until last fight with ichigo
It's totally Aizen. Madara was powerful but power is essentially all he had and there were more powerful characters than him.
Aizen meanwhile was everything - he had power, he had intelligence and he had a Shikai that was so absurdly overpowered it worked on the Bleach equivalent of god.
Aizen's great plan involved playing mind games with everyone for centuries while Madara's plan was to hide in a cave.
Aizen meanwhile was everything - he had power, he had intelligence and he had a Shikai that was so absurdly overpowered it worked on the Bleach equivalent of god.
Aizen's great plan involved playing mind games with everyone for centuries while Madara's plan was to hide in a cave.
Yhwach
Kaguya, despite what she had, could be sealed. Afterwards, as far as I'm understanding, there are even stronger enemies than her in Boruto.(Someone correct me here, I may be misunderstanding things in Boruto)
Yhwach on the other hand required that his powers stopped working for an instant from silver, that is specifically caused from his own power, so that he can be killed(and even that technically didn't work).
- Ishida's dad made an Silver Arrow from the silver he recovered from his wife's body (victims who have their powers stolen by Yhwach eventually dies from a silver clot in their heart), the silver arrow can negate his powers.
- The arrow was fired by Ishida Uryu, who had has " The Antithesis" powers, which was stated to be able to counter Yhwach's " Almighty", so he didn't see the Silver Arrow coming.
- Aizen was there and his hypnosis still works on Yhwach, so he was able to fool his senses and buy time for everyone.
- Tsukishima used his past-altering powers on Ichigo in order to fix his Bankai. As result, Yhwach could no longer instantly break Ichigo's blade nor instantly alter his future. (He could still, however, damage the blade through sheer power).
- The arrow loses it's effects after one second and Yhwach start recovering his power, however...
- Yhwach's subordinate, Hashwalth, holds "The Almighty" when Yhwach is asleep. He received a vision of Ichigo killing Yhwach, and, instead of just pass to him, he altered to make it seem like it was just a dream, instead of a vision from the future. As result, Yhwach did not see the final blow.
- In the vision, Ichigo killed him with his fake Shikai, which never made any logical sense. So when he tried to destroy Ichigo's Bankai, he was only able to destroy the outer shell. The Bankai's inner shell, that has the form of the fake Shikai, sliced through him. Because Hashwalth withheld this vision from him, Yhwach never saw it coming. Since he had not fully recovered, the blow was became fatal.
- The arrow was fired by Ishida Uryu, who had has " The Antithesis" powers, which was stated to be able to counter Yhwach's " Almighty", so he didn't see the Silver Arrow coming.
- Aizen was there and his hypnosis still works on Yhwach, so he was able to fool his senses and buy time for everyone.
- Tsukishima used his past-altering powers on Ichigo in order to fix his Bankai. As result, Yhwach could no longer instantly break Ichigo's blade nor instantly alter his future. (He could still, however, damage the blade through sheer power).
- The arrow loses it's effects after one second and Yhwach start recovering his power, however...
- Yhwach's subordinate, Hashwalth, holds "The Almighty" when Yhwach is asleep. He received a vision of Ichigo killing Yhwach, and, instead of just pass to him, he altered to make it seem like it was just a dream, instead of a vision from the future. As result, Yhwach did not see the final blow.
- In the vision, Ichigo killed him with his fake Shikai, which never made any logical sense. So when he tried to destroy Ichigo's Bankai, he was only able to destroy the outer shell. The Bankai's inner shell, that has the form of the fake Shikai, sliced through him. Because Hashwalth withheld this vision from him, Yhwach never saw it coming. Since he had not fully recovered, the blow was became fatal.
In summary, almost every single possible counter and circumstance to Yhwach's powers was present in that moment.
After some deliberation I have to go with Aizen. Madara is absurdly op in his own right, but I really don’t think any of his gimmicks can overcome Kyokasuigetsu. In fact, the only reason Aizen really lost in the first place is because he got too arrogant and underestimated Ichigo.
Aizen could have won if he wasn’t high on himself.
Aizen could have won if he wasn’t high on himself.
Yes, but we don't know if it has any special ability since it got broken immediately after he activated his Bankai.
As OP Madara is, Sasuke and Naruto, after their power-up, were keeping up with him just fine before he got taken over by Kaguya. My impression is that he became really reckless after he absorbed the Tailed Beasts.
It did got fixed later, but showed no special ability of it's own. As far as we know, it's simply a stronger version that has both a outer shell and a inner blade that is identical Ichigo's old shikai.
Not his birth, but when he met Rukia onwards
Nearing the end of the arc where he fights Aizen, he mentions that he was the person he was looking for and planned all this stuff(all the meetings, all the battles up until that point) to make him stronger. He does drop that he knew of him since he was born though.
Nah, Ichigo's birth was a genuine unexpected accident that he didn't foresee, but he was delighted that it happened, specially because he didn't plan for it.
Man this OP was the best in Shippuden free for me.Mardara better dancer
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wait what? oh /s damn it, was hoping that was somehow based in reality lol
Real panel from Bleach btw /s
I am still mad the old man busted out 4 different flavors of Ban kai only for them to go "Just playing, you dead"
Aizen.
Madara is the dude who gets powerful by grinding levels and farming gear. Aizen is the dude who says fuck that and hacks the system and puts every value to 9999.
Madara is the dude who gets powerful by grinding levels and farming gear. Aizen is the dude who says fuck that and hacks the system and puts every value to 9999.
RIP Yamamoto T_T
Now in releation to Ichigo's being destroyed, this was me:
*Ichigo shouts BANKAI for his new zanpakuto*
Me: OH SHIT, HYPE! LET'S G-
*Next page shows it's already broken*
Me: W...what?
This man not only survived this, he bodied EVERYONE involved with his eyes closed. And I don't mean, "his eyeballs couldn't see," he literally did not have eyeballs in his skull at that time. Yet somehow, he could still use the abilities that specifically required those eyes to be in his skull.
This was some bullshit because they had just brought him back to life which you would assume would give the protagonists at least somewhat of a chance now that he wasn't immortal. Oh btw immediately after this he became immortal AGAIN.
Madara was bullshit personified.
That's what I mean. It never really got a chance to demonstrate what it could do outside of the boring ass Getsuga. You'd think dude with two Zanpakuto spirits would pull out some new shit, but nope. Hell, his shikai showed more variation than his Bankai.
At least glad he got that. Jushiro, Shinji, and a few others got nothing.
ukitake truly got it the worst. At least, Shinji has the novel and accompanied drawings for his Bankai.
Shinji's sound like an instant win, why didn't he use it agaisnt aizen?
that ones easy even if only briefly shown. She literally melts her opponents down is the primary ability, but, like Urahara’s bankai, it also has the ability to instantly heal anything. So, she can kill and revive as many times as she wants. Basically, it was used to kill Kenpachi enough times that with brute force alone he could outdo hax. for example, there was the Gremmy fight where Ken only won cause he didn’t flinch even as he was being badly damaged then Gremmy defeated himself.
Eh, it's one of the few truly dangerous powers in a group setting. sure, he might have beaten aizen but everyone else would probably kill each other too.
It sounds like it reverses everything, maybe he can make attacks heal him instead of hurting? That is why Bleach makes me so mad, it's a fucking interesting world that stops at when it gets reall interesting.
He actually did expect it. The unexpected part was Ichigo's Mom coming to save Ichigo's dad when Aizen and co were testing hollowfication before his birth:
Unless that was what you meant by that lol. From the moment Ichigo was born though Aizen set up everything to have him become a shinigami. From stationing Rukia in that town to sending hollows there so they can meet.
It really is amazing that we never saw Aizen's bankai, Kubo wrote himself into a corner so hard he just gave up and ignored it. It's like if Madara just never used his rinnegan powers and stuck with the sharingan.
Probably not. His illusions worked on Ywach, but power wise, Ywach was still on another level. Probably the closest one in terms of raw power though.
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best character in whole of Bleach he caused Ichigo have a full mental breakdown and even pushed Byakuya to his limits and dude is only human and was essential to ending Ywach
That was waaay before achieving his peak power, and also he lost to fake death and get Hashirama's flesh sample.