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What morally wrong things do you do?

TheGhost

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,791
Long Island
I wouldn’t consider anything in the OP morally wrong.

Sleeping with a married woman i would consider morally wrong. But eating steak? Don’t see it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,874
Smoking, vaping, drinking, drugs, etc. I'm a hedonistic person who would rather be high and play videogames than go to the gym. I should take better care of myself.

I consciously support evil major corporations like Amazon and McDonald's instead of Ma and Pa shops.

I watch porn. Not the dangerous or actually illegal kind. But it's still a bad habit.

I never pick up phone calls and I lie to people over text message all the time. Especially when I'm trying to avoid socializing or something that pushes me out of my comfort zone. I can be pretty selfish at times, but I'll have my moments of selflessness if it's a cause I support.

Generally I'm just pretty nihilistic and depressive, suicidal, etc. Life is just weird, unfair and pointless to me. I refuse to believe in the monotheistic God, but I find comfort in the idea of an alien DMT higher power that is not directly controlling our lives or paying direct attention to our "sins".
 
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Oct 27, 2017
13,538
Seattle
I'm talking about reoccuring things where you see yourself being morally wrong.

My things would be:

Current:
  • Over consumption/wasteful
  • Meat eater
  • Have two SUVs
  • Can be prejudice about certain things, like "That person is a racist", just by looks which I am working hard on!
  • Have kids (?)
  • Drive to much instead of using the bike when I can
Over consumption I am trying to cut down as far as I can. Meat eater... trying to get better as well, both kids are vegetarians though.

Will think more and get back.
You feel that having kids is morally wrong? Hopefully you don't tell your children that.
 

Thorn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,951
I thought I was a pretty moral person but man the stuff you listed seems small time to me.
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,711
I would have to just list a bunch of shit that you may not like, but I don't normally do anything morally wrong in my own opinion...

I'll say I eat meat...and I enjoy it

So to some that may be morally wrong. To me it's fucking yummy.
It is inherently morally wrong unless the meat is a necessity for you.

For the simple fact it contributes to suffering.

If your action isn't necessary AND it contributes to suffering which by extension is unnecessary, that is immoral.

We should be able to admit these things. We're all guilty here to a degree.
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,711
I wouldn’t consider anything in the OP morally wrong.

Sleeping with a married woman i would consider morally wrong. But eating steak? Don’t see it.
If you do not NEED the steak, you are putting your taste for steak over the taking of a life at best, and the suffering and eventual death of the animal at worsed.

There is no way eating meat isn't immoral unless it is some kind of necessity, and even then it would be gray and not clear-cut.

Again, this isn't saying you are a bad person. ALL of us are guilty of these kinds of immoral choices.
 

fossi8

Member
Apr 22, 2018
300
See to me that doesn't even make sense to consider "morally" wrong.

Edit: Unless you're a hitman? Then I guess it wouldn't matter if you pretended or not though..
Sometimes I feel like I'm lying to the person and company that hired me, maybe someone else was waiting for my position but no, I'm here pretending I like but in the end hate it most of the time. I dont know.
 

tommy7154

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,370
It is inherently morally wrong unless the meat is a necessity for you.

For the simple fact it contributes to suffering.

If your action isn't necessary AND it contributes to suffering which by extension is unnecessary, that is immoral.

We should be able to admit these things. We're all guilty here to a degree.
Ok I see where you're coming from. The only thing is I don't consider it immoral. I want to say it's necessary for survival and while maybe it was in the past, you're right I could easily survive without it. So I'll just say I don't disagree if you think I'm immoral for eating meat. I just don't personally find it immoral. Or maybe I do slightly but don't care enough? It is a shitty thing to slaughter another living thing and eat it because it's "yummy"...it's just not something I normally think about. Or think about in that way.
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,711
Ok I see where you're coming from. The only thing is I don't consider it immoral. I want to say it's necessary for survival and while maybe it was in the past, you're right I could easily survive without it. So I'll just say I don't disagree if you think I'm immoral for eating meat. I just don't personally find it immoral. Or maybe I do slightly but don't care enough? It is a shitty thing to slaughter another living thing and eat it because it's "yummy"...
Thing is, I think you and most meat eaters do know it's immoral. They just don't care enough.

Like I know it's immoral to support Amazon and contribute to a billionare's wealth and the dominance of a single corporate entity, but I do it anyway.

We all make these kinds of immoral choices. We should be able to admit that.
 

tommy7154

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,370
Sometimes I feel like I'm lying to the person and company that hired me, maybe someone else was waiting for my position but no, I'm here pretending I like but in the end hate it most of the time. I dont know.
Ah I see. I don't think that's really immoral at all though. What is the alternative?? And just in general I imagine a vast majority of people hate their jobs but have to pretend to like it sometimes. It's kind of necessary if you value keeping that job...and so not immoral imo.

You expect me to snitch on myself? What is the deal with this place?
Spill it Ishmael!
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,711
Shocked at the sheer scale of degeneracy in this thread
Have I told you about the people who find 30fps acceptable? You might not be ready for that horror...

Sometimes I feel like I'm lying to the person and company that hired me, maybe someone else was waiting for my position but no, I'm here pretending I like but in the end hate it most of the time. I dont know.
It is not a necessity to like your job. If you are doing the work you are paid for you're not doing anything immoral.
 

StallionDan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,975
Does this ever work out for you? I know there is shit bias against shorter men, but curious how lying would help long term.

Of course, if you're just messing about carry on. :p
Yes it works, I get considerably more matches and if it gets brought up when we meet I say why and they generally don't care (usually because they themselves have done something dishonest like old photo(s), airbrushed/filtered etc) or they just understand. Even though I'm short I've always been OK meeting women IRL, dating apps just make people extra shallow so gotta do what can to get to that IRL meet.
 

HeavenlyOne

The Fallen
Nov 30, 2017
807
Your heart
If we assume immorality is a manufactured concept, could we do away with punishment and focus soley on rehabilitation which as far as we can tell produces better outcomes?
Anybody can be punished, not everyone can be rehabilitated.

Wanking according to my gf :(
Well, you are denying her your precious fluids.

Eating meat is only morally wrong if you're eating people.
Even bad people?
 
Oct 25, 2017
245
Last month in college I had a test and the professor let the papers with the correct alternatives upside, letting me see everything clearly. I used that to my advantage of course and never let him know.
 

Bya

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,866
Like everyone else I buy electronics, clothes and support bad industries. Sometimes I eat meat.
 

Grimsey

Member
Nov 1, 2017
262
I subscribe to hard determinism so I don't think people have true ethical accountability. Sorry if that sounds like a lame answer but you did say according to what we think.
 

Jiminy

Avenger
Mar 29, 2018
3,359
No idea since morality is not objective
Would you consider mass rearing, slaughtering and eating 4 year old kids immoral? Because that's pretty much how smart pigs are. YMMV of course.

Plus all the planetary fucking up meat does by being incredibly inefficient and waste-productive. Unless all you eat is locally grown chicken and rabbit.

I subscribe to hard determinism so I don't think people have true ethical accountability. Sorry if that sounds like a lame answer but you did say according to what we think.
I used to subscribe to that until I read more about the currently understood, and absolutely wild, depths of quantum mechanics and quantum theory.

It's looking more and more like conscious human brains are really quantum objects that actually can defy any sort of determinism the universe throws at them. Of course, we're still at the universe's whim at a larger, celestial scale.
 

ThLunarian

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,165
In the modern world you could argue that merely existing is morally wrong because of how much suffering had to happen for you to live your current life. So, while we all should try to be the best we can, you'll drive yourself crazy worrying about every single thing you do.

Don't beat yourself up if you eat meat, or have kids, or have to fly a lot, or drive a car. Just treat the people around you with respect and dignity, and try not to directly harm individuals, and you'll be fine. Give yourself a little grace and forgiveness.
 

Somnid

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,707
Anybody can be punished, not everyone can be rehabilitated.
I'm not following, people can be murdered too if they fail to comply with societal rules but I don't think most people, at least in this thread, would consider that moral. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. If someone with a severe mental issue commits crime but it's determined they can't be "rehabilitated" (definition left open) then is it moral to punish them instead?