• The GiftBot 2.0 Launch Giveaway Extravaganza has come to a close with an astounding 8073 games given away to the community by 696 members, a huge success thanks to you! The gifting now continues with more official prizes in the new Gaming Giveaways |OT|. Leftover Steam codes are also being given away to the PC Gaming Era community.

We have reached next-level deepfakes

TAJ

Member
Oct 28, 2017
5,646
Someone needs to deep fake a normal face onto Alita in Alita: Battle Angel.
I want to see that movie, but I can't look at that freak for even a second without twitching and gagging.
 

Ether_Snake

Member
Oct 29, 2017
5,031
Amazing
But if I was Jim Carrey I would a bit down, like « I’m not half the actor Jack Nicholson was, and yet I could have been! That could have been me! »
To me it just emphasizes how good of a job Jack did.
I want to see more stuff like that.

This is only currently possible because of the extensive footage of Carrey. I do imagine that training algorithms will get superior with having less inputs in the future.
Ha, extreme footage. Here they can now do a lot with a single image:
 
Last edited:

Decarb

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,844
Man Kaz Hirai retired way too early, this tech would've been a goldmine for gif wars.
 

newline

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
475
London, United Kingdom
And then you realise that this technology is in its most infant form. Computer vision is one of the most nascent areas of tech right now.

We're in for a wild ride in the coming decades.
 

Deleted member 984

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,203
Getting loads better. Can still see Jack Nicolson, at times it looks more like him and others more like Jim Carrey, sometimes a mix of both but if I didn’t know who the actors were and wasn’t looking for seams I don’t think I would have guessed it was fake.

When they get this and the voices working I’d happily watch a few old movies and shows with actor swaps. The funnier the mash up the better.
 

Psyborg

Member
Aug 6, 2018
258
Some Harrison Ford Solo scenes for those who were asking for that. I'm not sure if an entire cut exists.
 

BlazeHedgehog

Member
Oct 27, 2017
394
Getting loads better. Can still see Jack Nicolson, at times it looks more like him and others more like Jim Carrey, sometimes a mix of both but if I didn’t know who the actors were and wasn’t looking for seams I don’t think I would have guessed it was fake.

When they get this and the voices working I’d happily watch a few old movies and shows with actor swaps. The funnier the mash up the better.
 

Red

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,494
The real test for this stuff isn’t going to be inserting actors’ faces over scenes that are widely known. In these cases we bring our own preconceptions to the video and find oddities because of our prior knowledge. The real test will be new videos with unknown deep-faked faces, shown for the first time. No deep fake label on the video. Release a few like this. If nobody raises concerns, if everyone believes the video is ordinary, then deep fakes have made it.
 

Jiminy

Avenger
Mar 29, 2018
3,359
I honestly think deepfake needs to be super regulated and under wraps like porn. Imagine people making videos of Obama saying white people suck or whatever. It will spread like wildfire on Facebook and Republican circles and become "truth".
Porn is super regulated and under wraps?

Yeah, you can't show porn on TV airwaves for example. Or post it on Facebook.
Oh. That's neither "super" regulated OR "under wraps", but I get your point.

So basically you're saying deepfakes shouldnt be allowed on TV or social media? But still good to go almost anywhere on the web and in brick and mortar shops (like magazine porn)? Okay...

This needs a completely different kind of conversation. And FYI academics are already miles ahead of you and have lots of writing out about the pros and cons of this software and what our best practices should be moving forward.
 
Last edited:

Boke18

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,644
While you can definitely see the flaws and since your brain knows this particular thing is fake it's easy to notice. But the tech is impressive and is only going to get better with time. Hell even now all you'd need to do is make a short concise video and you'd be able to fool millions.
 

Extra Sauce

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,268
I hope y'all enjoyed truth while it lasted. Soon enough any form of video evidence will be met with deepfake skepticism.
 

LakeEarth

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,975
Ontario
While you can definitely see the flaws and since your brain knows this particular thing is fake it's easy to notice. But the tech is impressive and is only going to get better with time. Hell even now all you'd need to do is make a short concise video and you'd be able to fool millions.
I think if someone really wants to fool people, they'd photoshop out the flickers and discoloration frame-by-frame.
 

Liquidsnake

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,664
You could watch the Corridor Digital video that was posted, but essentially it's using neural network artificial intelligence. Which is to say it's a form of machine learning, like teaching a person to do a hyper-specific task. Except in this case, it's not a person, it's computer code.

If that sounds scary in a "robots will take over the world" way, it's not, necessarily. At least not yet. Though these are thinking and learning computers, they are incredibly single-minded and are literally trained to only do one thing. They also, at least so far, have to be trained by people. What this means is that you have to input data (in this case, reference photos from different angles and expressions, both of the source and target) and then when the computer starts generating results from its learning process, a human person must tell the computer which results are better and which ones are worse so that it can improve its accuracy.

And the computer learns and learns and learns, examining and comparing the reference photos, doing hundreds, thousands, maybe even millions of iterations in order to accurately simulate one person's face (Jim Carey) doing the movements of another person's face (Jack Nicholson). That Shining video in the OP could be the result of days worth of learning and rendering.
Wow thank u for the explanation
 

Ether_Snake

Member
Oct 29, 2017
5,031
It’s not true that only humans are used to train AIs. AIs are often trained by having another AI evaluate its output (which itself was trained by a human). They are called Discriminators.
 

Sectorseven

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,304
The bone structure is still off. It's basically just stretching Jim Carrey's face and matching the expressions. It's quite good as far as that goes though.
 

Javier23

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,013
Just if they corrected the Carrey's face's portions skin tone. His parts of face look noticeably more pink than Nicholson's face. In the first shot they show, it also seems like Carrey's face drifts around a bit incorrectly. But if the skin tone was corrected, this would have looked so good.
I still think the Tom Cruise visiting those FX guys deepfake was the most fun and best done. But that's because they had a really good Cruise impersonator to begin with.

If anything I'd say Nicholson's skin is pinkier :D
 

Einchy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,428

If anything I'd say Nicholson's skin is pinkier :D
If you just look at the deep fake, you'd think the program fucked up a little because the forehead is a good bit more orange than the face but then you see them side by side and you realize that the scene was just lit that way. It matched that almost perfectly.
 

NSA

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
2,839
California
It's still early obviously.. but there is a lot of progress from some of the really early ones. It is crazy to think how this will look in a year, 5 years, 10 years.

The Tom Cruise one with the VFX guys was cool.. it was rough, but combined with the impersonator who had a good voice.. it really came alive. If they fixed up the face graphics a bit you might be able to fool everyone.
 

ReAxion

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,357
there's always somebody worried about what republicans are gonna think. as if we haven't had 10 years of them believing anything they want based on nothing and completely ignoring reality.

anyway, I've never seen The Shining.
 

Pancracio17

Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
7,338
Still looks oddly like CG to me. Reminds me of how movies use CG to change an actors age, which looks good, but not like the real thing.
 

Haunted

Member
Nov 3, 2017
1,383
Amazing
But if I was Jim Carrey I would a bit down, like « I’m not half the actor Jack Nicholson was, and yet I could have been! That could have been me! »
To me it just emphasizes how good of a job Jack did.
I want to see more stuff like that.



Ha, extreme footage. Here they can now do a lot with a single image:
living portraits, that's fantastic.