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We have reached next-level deepfakes

Lord of Ostia

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, you can't show porn on TV airwaves for example. Or post it on Facebook.
In the case of Facebook that's not government regulation though, it's just their own site rules. You can show porn on cable, just not on network TV...which is frankly irrelevant in the modern day given the ubiquity of internet use and the ubiquity of internet porn.

Porn is far too under-regulated in the US.
 

Fulminator

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Oct 25, 2017
8,235
Eeeeh

Looks more like a cross bow jack Nicholson and Jim Carrey to me, rather than Jim himself
 

lacer

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Oct 25, 2017
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this is the best version i've seen of one of these, but i don't think i'd be able to immediately say 'ah, that's Jim Carrey' if it wasn't in the video title. it actually looks more like him in the more animated parts since i'm so used to his rubberfaced mannerisms, which is usually the opposite case. when his face is resting it looks like a mix of the two more than just JC to me though
 

Gig

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wanna see this shit combined with actors who look similar and are acting the part.

AKA show me the Tarkin scene in Rogue One with this on top of a Peter Cushing look alike. Then we're talkin.
 

RustyNails

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Oct 26, 2017
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In the case of Facebook that's not government regulation though, it's just their own site rules. You can show porn on cable, just not on network TV...which is frankly irrelevant in the modern day given the ubiquity of internet use and the ubiquity of internet porn.

Porn is far too under-regulated in the US.
What I mean is for deepfakes to be under wraps, where you have to look for them to find them - just like porn. Deepfake should follow the same FCC guidelines on this stuff. I'm sure if FB starts displaying porn freely, they would get in trouble with some aspect of the government. Throw that deepfake shit in darkwebs.
 

Hexa

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Oct 25, 2017
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What I mean is for deepfakes to be under wraps, where you have to look for them to find them - just like porn. Deepfake should follow the same FCC guidelines on this stuff. I'm sure if FB starts displaying porn freely, they would get in trouble with some aspect of the government. Throw that deepfake shit in darkwebs.
They wouldn't get in any trouble with the US government at least. Maybe others like UK and such though. They would get in trouble with their advertisers though.
On the other hand, sites like Reddit, Twitter, and Imgur don't care and openly have pornographic content. There are no FCC regulations related to porn on the internet.
 

Lord of Ostia

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Oct 27, 2017
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What I mean is for deepfakes to be under wraps, where you have to look for them to find them - just like porn. Deepfake should follow the same FCC guidelines on this stuff. I'm sure if FB starts displaying porn freely, they would get in trouble with some aspect of the government. Throw that deepfake shit in darkwebs.
No they wouldn't, Tumblr, Twitter, and Reddit are huge social media platforms that host tons of porn (tumblr not anymore, but it used to).

I'm not sure why you are acting like porn is only on the 'darkweb', it's all over the mainstream, easily accessible internet. Plenty of innocuous Google image searches will produce porn results, and Bing is literally known mostly for how readily it retrieves porn results.
 

SleepSmasher

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Oct 27, 2017
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Australia
People saying that this is far from real and that they can easily spot the difference at any time are full of shit. It’s not perfect but it’s definitely getting there. The last half is absurdly convincing. I’m sure if this was an unknown movie with an unknown actor face swapped people would have a really hard time figuring this one out.
 

NSA

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Oct 27, 2017
2,839
California
I wanna see this shit combined with actors who look similar and are acting the part.

AKA show me the Tarkin scene in Rogue One with this on top of a Peter Cushing look alike. Then we're talkin.
This rogue one cut has to exist right? Surely someone has used this technology for good, right?
 

shira

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Oct 25, 2017
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US election attack ads are going to be something else
 

Lord Error

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just if they corrected the Carrey's face's portions skin tone. His parts of face look noticeably more pink than Nicholson's face. In the first shot they show, it also seems like Carrey's face drifts around a bit incorrectly. But if the skin tone was corrected, this would have looked so good.
I still think the Tom Cruise visiting those FX guys deepfake was the most fun and best done. But that's because they had a really good Cruise impersonator to begin with.
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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There will be a cottage industry of sorts of hobbyist or professional re-edit deepfakes of old film and media with the client's choice of face replacements.

And revenge porn, obviously. Revenge porn is going to get a lot more literal.
 

stilfigur

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Oct 25, 2017
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What throws me off the most is that Nicholson's mannerisms doesn't really fit Jim Carrey's face, particularly the mouth. Or maybe it's because I am familiar with both persons. It's pretty scary/amazing nonetheless.
 

Toddhunter

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Oct 25, 2017
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US election attack ads are going to be something else
Why?

Video shows Trump eating a baby seal burger.
Democrats: wtf?
Republicans: it is fake!
Media: no it isn’t, Trump made the video and tweeted it himself
Trump: no I didn’t and even if I did it would be fine
Republicans: ok no problem
Everyone else: wtf?

Who cares what is real or fake at this point, none of it remotely seems to matter.

Anything else can already be achieved with photoshop. People believe things like ufo mockups so this technology isn’t going to change a lot.
 

Flousn

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Jan 16, 2018
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Impressive but seriously, nothing good will come out of this.
Mobbing, political smearing and revenge porn will reach new levels with this.
 

Javaman

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Oct 31, 2017
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I bet a Jim Carry and Walton Goggins swap would be pretty easy to do. During the vid I kept thinking that was Goggins bottom of face.
 

NeonZ

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Oct 28, 2017
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So if this guy can do this, why exactly do we have to put up with:
Because movies still aren't using deep fake, just standard 3d modeling, even though it'd make something like that much easier and cheaper. They can just cast an actor that has similar facial proportions to the face being inserted and that would avoid most of the current limitations of the technology too.
 

Dan Thunder

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Nov 2, 2017
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So if this guy can do this, why exactly do we have to put up with:

There's still a lot of visible flaws you can see for the most part with all but the very best fakes. Not to say that they're not impressive and that the technology won't improve but we're not at a point where if you saw it on a decent screen and resolution you'd be fooled, unless you spent an absolute fortune on it.

Rogue One is three years old now and the technology has improved hugely since then as well.
 

BlazeHedgehog

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Oct 27, 2017
394
Im glad this was posted, can someone explain this deep fake thing to me?
You could watch the Corridor Digital video that was posted, but essentially it's using neural network artificial intelligence. Which is to say it's a form of machine learning, like teaching a person to do a hyper-specific task. Except in this case, it's not a person, it's computer code.

If that sounds scary in a "robots will take over the world" way, it's not, necessarily. At least not yet. Though these are thinking and learning computers, they are incredibly single-minded and are literally trained to only do one thing. They also, at least so far, have to be trained by people. What this means is that you have to input data (in this case, reference photos from different angles and expressions, both of the source and target) and then when the computer starts generating results from its learning process, a human person must tell the computer which results are better and which ones are worse so that it can improve its accuracy.

And the computer learns and learns and learns, examining and comparing the reference photos, doing hundreds, thousands, maybe even millions of iterations in order to accurately simulate one person's face (Jim Carey) doing the movements of another person's face (Jack Nicholson). That Shining video in the OP could be the result of days worth of learning and rendering.