US PoliEra 2020 |OT 2| Dershowitz says "Quid Pro Quo on the Go?" [See Staff Post]

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Rez

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* Bernie's now the frontrunner in Texas too
* Warren's in 3rd, keeping Bloomberg in 4th. Even with all of Bloomberg's ad spam, he only gained a single point of support since the last poll.
* And Trump's leading Dem candidates by surprisingly small margins. Trump only leads in a head-to-head match with Bernie by 2.
* And a majority of Texans have said they wouldn't vote re-elect him. IN TEXAS.



Wow.
Uh, this is wild, right?!
 

Arm Van Dam

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I'm not expecting Bernie to win Texas but Trump only beating him by 2: Biden and Warren by 3 is going to give some serious side-eye from the GOP

If Bernie (or even Biden or Warren) does win Texas, then it's fucking game over for Trump and the GOP will be in massive disarray if that happens
 

skullmuffins

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If Bernie (or even Biden or Warren) does win Texas, then it's fucking game over for Trump and the GOP will be in massive disarray if that happens
it would be pretty nice if trump ended up destroying the GOP like we predicted even if it took a couple of years extra. flipping texas (with a ~socialist~, no less) would really throw a wrench in their plans of ruling off white grievance politics
 

Steel

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it would be pretty nice if trump ended up destroying the GOP like we predicted even if it took a couple of years extra. flipping texas (with a ~socialist~, no less) would really throw a wrench in their plans of ruling off white grievance politics
They'd just go back to dog whistles, a bunch of pubs will have amnesia about how much they sucked up to Trump and within 1-2 midterms they'd get a chamber back and soon have the Presidency with a "respectable" republican.

Assuming nothing changes on the electoral side. New states need to be a priority.
 

Rupetta

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Yea, ERA is filled to the brim with people getting amped to vote for Bloom
I mean, on this site, those who are coming around the prospect of voting Bloomberg in front of anyone (excepting Gabbard here), do exist and in far greater numbers than the accelartionist non-voter from 2016.

They still are fewer in numbers than those coming around voting Klob after laughing at her for being a “blackhole of charisma”, but from a pundit perspective no less intriguing.
 

Fiye

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Klobb has a history of being abusive to her staff and there's a GQ article showcasing Mike Bloomberg's history of being a grotesque sexist bastard so fine times. fine times.
 

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Trump's approval has been in the toilet for pretty much his entire presidency, and he doesn't have the benefits of A.) novelty or B.) people assuming that his opponent will win.

It's not guaranteed at all, but it's very possible that he gets fucking shellacked in November. Bernie should tap Beto for VP and really put Texas in play.
 
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Steel

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I mean, on this site, those who are coming around the prospect of voting Bloomberg in front of anyone (excepting Gabbard here), do exist and in far greater numbers than the accelartionist non-voter from 2016.

They still are fewer in numbers than those coming around voting Klob after laughing at her for being a “blackhole of charisma”, but from a pundit perspective no less intriguing.
Are there? Cause I don't see it. I mean, if you asked me in a hypothetical Bloomberg vs Trump scenario, I'd be voting Bloomberg for a chance of judges and maybe gun control with his shit held back by the democratic party rather than the certainty of worse things with Trump and McConnell. But that's not saying that I think Bloomberg has a good chance of beating Trump, would make a good candidate, or would even make a good President.

Klobb has a history of being abusive to her staff and there's a GQ article showcasing Mike Bloomberg's history of being a grotesque sexist bastard so fine times. fine times.
Yeah, Klob's only above Bloomer and Gabbard on my list. I mean, there's a massive distance between her and Bloomer and Gabbard, but... yeah.
 

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Yeaaaaaahhhhhhh.... I mean, I can respect him going ham on guns and the reason for it, but... fuck he'd probably be able to win the Senate if Texas is within 2 points. Maybe one of the Castro brothers should run for Senate?
It’s too late to signup for the Texas dem primary. they both declined anyway
 

Steel

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It’s too late to signup for the Texas dem primary. they both declined anyway
Well, fuck. Looking at it everyone running on the dem side for Texas Senate is a nobody. Like, the person who's raised the most is basically a purple heart air force vet whose only intersection with politics is a failed 2018 house of reps bid?
 

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Actually winning Texas is irrelevant. (I mean, I'd obviously love to win it.)

What's relevant is any time, money or effort Trump has to spend there is time, money and effort he cannot spend in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
 

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I'm not sure if Beto could win Texas anymore. He's basically the focal point of hate for guns rights activists. They'd probably be more motivated to go out and vote against him than they were in 2018.
 

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Well, fuck. Looking at it everyone running on the dem side for Texas Senate is a nobody. Like, the person who's raised the most is basically a purple heart air force vet whose only intersection with politics is a failed 2018 house of reps bid?
this is why beto should have ran for senate
 

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Rupetta

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Are there? Cause I don't see it. I mean, if you asked me in a hypothetical Bloomberg vs Trump scenario, I'd be voting Bloomberg for a chance of judges and maybe gun control with his shit held back by the democratic party rather than the certainty of worse things with Trump and McConnell. But that's not saying that I think Bloomberg has a good chance of beating Trump, would make a good candidate, or would even make a good President.


Yeah, Klob's only above Bloomer and Gabbard on my list. I mean, there's a massive distance between her and Bloomer and Gabbard, but... yeah.
Voting for Bloomberg would be accelerationism by virtue of pushing the Dem party into a situation where racism, oligarchy and accumulation by dispossession are emblazoned on the front of the party and further normalized within it. It would be very hard, if not impossible, to construct a credible political argument where the party is leading an antagonistic political charge against such values and politics. It would alienate those that suffer the most further, while supporting for the intensification of capitalism and the radicalization of its opposition.
 

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Man that poll was taken before NH as well.

Honestly Biden is still kinda OK in the southern states, he should still stay in the race. I feel like Biden is a honorable enough guy to note side with Bloomberg when there is delegate trading, he would take his chances with Bernie.
 

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I've been noticing since the NYT endorsement that's there's been a uptick in dual-endorsements like Dallas Morning News endorsing Royce West and Amanda Edwards in Senate primary and Indy Week (progressive paper in Durham, NC) endorsing Cal and Erica in Senate race though only 2 serious contenders.
God I miss eating a burrito at Chubby's off 54 while reading an Indy Week. Do you know how hard it is to get a decent burrito around Seattle? It's crazy.

I actually really like this trend of double endorsements. Gives people reason to read the text and lets more diverse opinions come out of the staff.
 

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Dems have a lot to gain in the House in TX, so there will be activity and money there no matter what. Given the nationalization of races like this, being more competitive helps.

That said you can easily get hundreds of thousands of more votes in Texas, still lose the state, and those votes don't help beat Trump. On the other hand, getting 10k more votes in one state can swing the EC. There is likely not a scenario where Texas is some kind of tipping point state. So it feels good to see these numbers, feeling good in the general doesn't really mean all that much. Except that Trump is unpopular/vulnerable and struggles to get past a threshold of support, all of which make sense if you watch his approval ratings.
 
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Tamanon

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Remember when people said the DNC wasn't involved with the Iowa caucus and the app ?


Wake up people.
Yes....

An email provided to Yahoo News also appears to show that Seema Nanda, the CEO of the DNC, and Kat Atwater, the national party’s deputy chief technology officer, were involved in drafting the contract and requested the addition of the provision that gave them access to Shadow and the app. In the email, dated July 30, 2019, Atwater provided an IDP official with draft text for the provision detailing the DNC’s access to the app. Atwater, in the email, said the provision was specifically requested by Nanda.
“In discussing our placement in the process with Seema on Friday, she suggested that it would be helpful to include the following provision in the contracts with your vendors,” Atwater wrote to the IDP.

DNC communications director Xochitl Hinojosa responded to questions about the contract language and Atwater’s email by saying the party wanted access to the app only to address potential security concerns.
“We requested access to the tool solely for the purpose of doing security testing,” Hinojosa said.
Hinojosa disputed that the DNC was involved in the development of the app. “The DNC drafted broad language to make sure whatever vendor IDP ultimately hired was required to work with the DNC’s cyber-security consultant,” she said. “We did not build the application, nor did we provide ‘oversight’ of its development — that’s the vendor’s responsibility. We only provided security assistance.”
WAKE UP PEOPLE. LOL
 

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KidAAlbum

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I am more than willing to discuss with the mod team, if they want to reach out. Until then I’ll drop it, and leave the thread, because I do not feel welcome here.
We need more Bernie supporters in here. Stay.

Except every moderate Democrat now knows they can ignore Bernie calls for M4A.

Also, there would be zero difference between the final health care bill Warner or Bernie signs. The idea of "pre-compromise" has made left-wingers go off the rails in their ideas of how peoples votes can be changed.
Bernie hasn't hedged has he? So you're wrong about that. And all this time I hear from moderates that Bernie doesn't compromise and now that there's an inkling of compromise they go "see he's not serious about M4A, that's why we who also done the same much much earlier in the negotiation table are superior!" Yeah, no.

So you prefer pre-compromising?
 
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The World

Bloomberg's Harvard program counts among its graduates the mayors of Stockton and San Jose, California, and Charlotte, N.C. – all of whom have since endorsed him.

Charlotte Mayor Vi Lyles, who endorsed Bloomberg on Thursday, won his American Cities Climate Challenge in 2018. As one of the challenge's winners, Charlotte was set to receive financial assistance and training for city staffers -- all paid for by Bloomberg.

As part of its 2019 What Works Cities Certification initiative, which recognizes cities for data- and evidence-backed decision making, mayors in three of the seven cities awarded funding from Bloomberg Philanthropies -- Washington, D.C., Louisville, Kentucky, and Memphis, Tennessee -- have endorsed Bloomberg's presidential bid.

In Houston, after Hurricane Harvey hit the Gulf Coast, Bloomberg Associates, which collaborates with municipal leaders, worked closely with the city to "respond and deliver services to people in need by quickly setting up recovery centers," according to Bloomberg Philanthropies' most recent annual report.

Bloomberg is also "now working with Mayor Sylvester Turner and the Houston Health Department to advance the goals of My Brother's Keeper: improving early childhood education, building skills to contribute to the workforce, and reducing crime and violence."

Turner endorsed Bloomberg on Thursday.
 

RocketKiss

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I mean, was it insecure?
I had a feeling you would scrutinize the word 'security.' Seemed like it was insecure in the capacity of what was necessary like... Logging into it.

According to the source who worked on the caucus, the DNC did have Shadow work with an outside cybersecurity firm. The source blamed the DNC and its security consultants for some of the issues that took place with reporting the results on caucus night.

“They had a lot of thoughts and feelings on how this app was supposed to function, and I think there was advice that was given that led to the difficulties you saw on caucus night with people being able to log in,” the caucus source said. “The security steps that were taken made it difficult for an even technologically apt person to log in.”
 

Bradbatross

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Warren going to do all she can to sink Bloomberg.

It may not be enough.
This is another way Bloomberg is helping Sanders. Instead of the target being squarely on him at the next debate, it's going to be on Bloomberg.
So Biden might actually be doing worse than this poll indicates. This was done before NH and partially before Iowa.
Holy shit, then these are amazing numbers for Bernie.
 

Y2Kev

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Warren’s Favorability numbers, particularly with the people who would vote for Bloomberg, are so poor I think she’s only going to set off another self nuke.
 
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