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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19

DavidDesu

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Oct 29, 2017
3,077
Glasgow, Scotland
There's some really good journalists but I question a lot of the reporting on politics. It's reported like it's a fucking football game with no real stakes for millions of people.
Ha, this is true. Keunsberg and co get literally giddy with excitement at each new twist and turn. They're also knee deep in it as well, so many close sources that are actually mates behind the scenes. It's rotten. They're rotten. Fuck the press by and large, an incestuous garbage pile pretending to be serving us balanced news. Bullshit.
 

Git

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,689
It's already pointless. Saying yes I'd press the red button just shows that you would nonchalantly kill millions of innocent civilians.
 

Carl2291

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Oct 27, 2017
1,504
It's already pointless. Saying yes I'd press the red button just shows that you would nonchalantly kill millions of innocent civilians.
Saying no essentially shows you'd sit back and let someone else kill millions of your own innocent civilians.

It's a question where pacifists will always have the "wrong" answer.
 

Garfield

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Oct 31, 2018
1,421
You can bet someone will ask him again in the QT show, so his advisors best give him a good answer
 

Salty_Josh

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Oct 28, 2017
2,105
You mean when Swinson going after Corbyn is the only thing people in your particular circle draw attention to and spread around?
The leader of the party only getting news coverage on her attacks against the other major parties is because I don't have a circle that bumlicks lib dems. Crazy world we live in
 

Git

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,689
Saying no essentially shows you'd sit back and let someone else kill millions of your own innocent civilians.

It's a question where pacifists will always have the "wrong" answer.
No it doesn't. But Trident isn't going to do anything about that either, it's just going to kill other millions of innocent civilians afterwards. Like a snotty teen.
 
Jul 2, 2019
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Saying no essentially shows you'd sit back and let someone else kill millions of your own innocent civilians.

It's a question where pacifists will always have the "wrong" answer.
This doesn't make sense. If millions of your own civilians have been killed, killing another million innocent ones is not a good response. It's EVIL.

Not doing that doesn't make you pacifist.
 

Carl2291

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Oct 27, 2017
1,504
No it doesn't. But Trident isn't going to do anything about that either, it's just going to kill other millions of innocent civilians afterwards. Like a snotty teen.
This doesn't make sense. If millions of your own civilians have been killed, killing another million innocent ones is not a good response. It's EVIL
It's called a nuclear deterrent for a reason.

If you say you'll never push the button, you no longer have the deterrence.
 

Git

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Oct 26, 2017
3,689
It's called a nuclear deterrent for a reason.

If you say you'll never push the button, you no longer have the deterrence.
And why are we still abiding by Cold War ideology? What about all the other countries that don't have nuclear weapons, why haven't they all been nuked?
How can anyone claim to give a shit about the planet or life when they're pro nuclear weapons.
 

Tzarscream

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Oct 28, 2017
2,892
I think I'm going to vote for the Greens.

I'm in a Labour safe seat but I'm honestly not really happy to reward Labour with a vote considering how unhappy I am with the party right now.

Greens is the only option.
 

Carl2291

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Oct 27, 2017
1,504
And why are we still abiding by Cold War ideology? What about all the other countries that don't have nuclear weapons, why haven't they all been nuked?
How can anyone claim to give a shit about the planet or life when they're pro nuclear weapons.
I don't have those answers, I'm just posting my observations and why I think it's a question specifically used to trip up politicians like Corbyn who would never "push the button".
 

null

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Oct 25, 2017
6,122
If we were ever in a situation where countries are launching nukes at each other we've lost long before anything we do matters. It's such a dated mindset.
 

Acorn

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Oct 25, 2017
9,828
Scotland
If we were ever in a situation where countries are launching nukes at each other we've lost long before anything we do matters. It's such a dated mindset.
I've always loved that London plopped the nuclear base up here away from the nice home counties and Tories.

I'm just outside Glasgow and Faslane would be a prime target so I'm pretty fucked in the event of nuclear war.
 

PJV3

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,021
London
I think I'm going to vote for the Greens.

I'm in a Labour safe seat but I'm honestly not really happy to reward Labour with a vote considering how unhappy I am with the party right now.

Greens is the only option.
Seems fair, you should still keep an eye on local polling, i'm sure you don't want to let a nutjob sneak in to Westminster for 5 years.
 

Acorn

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Oct 25, 2017
9,828
Scotland
I like the Scottish greens, they are generally who I put as my second preference in Scottish elections. I don't care much for UK greens.
 

Noodle

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Aug 22, 2018
1,428
I don't have those answers, I'm just posting my observations and why I think it's a question specifically used to trip up politicians like Corbyn who would never "push the button".
So you have no idea how it functions as a deterrent or what it would deter but still apparently knew enough to claim not pushing the button was "sitting back and letting millions of innocent civilians die".
 

Spaghetti

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Dec 2, 2017
2,740
alright Reagan, calm down, the ruskies aren't going to nuke us. They live here now.
This is... not actually a bad point. Nuclear deterrence theory is hugely out of date as we don't really live in that world anymore. Why would the Russians nuke the place where a lot of their dark money is laundered and assets are? Same arguably goes for China too. Soft power is the new hard power.

America has been keener to nuke away their problems in recent years ffs.
 

BeImonkey

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Dec 9, 2017
1,575
Would someone be able briefly explain why people keep saying Corbyn is a communist and basically the worst person who ever existed
 

Carl2291

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Oct 27, 2017
1,504
So you have no idea how it functions as a deterrent or what it would deter but still apparently knew enough to claim not pushing the button was "sitting back and letting millions of innocent civilians die".
That's how it's projected to millions of voters.

Edit - Did you watch Corbyn being questioned on it back in 2017 and the reaction it drew?
 

kradical

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,858
What sort of majority or minority government would the conservatives have if it ends up here?
Assuming their aren't any underlying problems with the polling and the election was tomorrow, probably a Tory majority of around 50-60, but as always the most important takeaway is the direction things are going, and a 4 point shift towards Labour in one week is good news.
 

Tygre

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Oct 25, 2017
4,802
Chesire, UK
Would someone be able briefly explain why people keep saying Corbyn is a communist and basically the worst person who ever existed
He sits on the Left end of social democracy, and all the people on the right end lost their ability to distinguish between a social democrat, a socialist and a revolutionary communist a long time ago.

Corbyn talks about taking utilities back into public ownership, and they see visions of T-34s rolling down the Mall.

Corbyn talks about increasing taxes on the wealthy, and they see visions of the Bolsheviks ransacking the Stock Exchange.

It's an advanced stage of bitch-eating-crackers syndrome.

It's been...
 

jelly

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Oct 26, 2017
11,010
I imagine it will be like Trump/Republicans in the US, who cares about Russian interference etc. our team wins, Brexit yeah,
 

JediTimeBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
3,904
Now I know better than to have hope considering our media and country but this could end up being a pretty big deal in voters eyes, right?

I mean chances are the press will ignore it and most people won't care but there's a slim chance this blows up right? Right? 😞
Nah you're right about Tory voters not giving a shit.
 

brain_stew

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Oct 30, 2017
252
Now I know better than to have hope considering our media and country but this could end up being a pretty big deal in voters eyes, right?

I mean chances are the press will ignore it and most people won't care but there's a slim chance this blows up right? Right? 😞
The fact they've deliberately tried to bury it will hopefully backfire on them.