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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19

Uzzy

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Oct 25, 2017
5,328


Previous UK ERA Political Threads:


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In order of seats held at dissolution of Parliament. (Technically as of Midnight tonight there are no MPs)

Conservative Party: 298 MPs, Leader: Boris Johnson (Prime Minister)


Labour Party: 243 MPs, Leader: Jeremy Corbyn


Scottish National Party: 35 MPs, Leader: Nicola Sturgeon, Ian Blackford (In Westminster)


Liberal Democrats: 20 MPs, Leader: Jo Swinson


Democratic Unionist Party: 10 MPs, Leader: Arlene Foster, Nigel Dodds (In Westminster)


Sinn Fein: 7 MPs, Leader: Mary Lou McDonald, Michelle O'Neill (In the Northern Ireland Assembly) N.b. Sinn Fein do not take their seats in Westminster under their longstanding policy of abstentionism.


The Independent Group for Change, formally known as Change UK: 5 MPs, Leader: Anna Soubry


Plaid Cymru: 4 MPs, Leader: Adam Price, Liz Saville Roberts (In Westminster)

Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a political cartoon for the current leader?!!?

Green Party of England and Wales: 1 MP, Leaders: Jonathan Bartley & Sián Berry, Caroline Lucas (In Westminster)


There are, of course, more parties running, and the OP will be updated with links to their manifestos once they formally announce.



Once upon a time, the United Kingdom held the world at gunpoint, dominating a full 1/4 of the world in both population and mass, spreading it's political, legal, educational systems around the globe, including certain sports and of course the language we're all speaking today. Then the 20th Century happened, and for various reasons the British Empire receded into the past and the UK was left without a role, no longer the global superpower but instead a rainy island off the European coast. And so, after much torturous debate internally and externally, we joined with our European Neighbours in the European Economic Community (EEC) in 1973. This proved somewhat controversial at the time, and an undercurrent of resentment towards the move continued right up until the end of Thatcher, when the EEC evolved into the European Union (EU), complete with a Single Market of goods, workers, services and capital throughout. It was then, with the end of Thatcher and the rise of Major, that the Euroscepticism within our politics, mostly from the Conservative Party, that had laid dormant for two decades sprang back with a vengeance, giving John Major a hellish time in Parliament passing the Maastricht Treaty in 1992. A certain David Cameron, then working behind the scenes in the Conservative Government, learned an important lesson. Europe could destroy the Conservative Party.

Fast forward through the Blair/Brown Years to 2014/5. David Cameron has been PM of a Coalition Government with the Lib Dems since 2010, and he'd really like to ensure a Conservative majority at the 2015 General Election. But the Conservatives haven't won an election since 1992, and that thorny issue of Europe is cropping up again. He had to promise concessions to the Eurosceptics in the party just to become the leader, and now an up and coming new party, the United Kingdom Independence Party, led by Nigel Farage, is flanking the Tories from the right. So in order to appease the Eurosceptics and stop voters flaking off to UKIP, he promises a referendum on the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union. The plan works, and David Cameron is elected as the first Conservative Prime Minister since 1992. But now he has to deliver the referendum. He's rightly confident going into it, he's already seen off two referendums! Surely his gamble won't fail.

It does. In 2016 the UK votes to leave the European Union by 52% to 48%. Cameron announces his resignation the next day, leaving history to judge him.

The leaders of the leave campaign, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, take each other out before voting starts for the next Conservative leader. This leaves Cameron to be surprisingly replaced by Theresa May, who declared for remain, but stayed quiet during the campaign. She has a slight majority in the Commons, and manages to persuade Parliament to trigger Article 50, starting the formal two year process of the UK leaving the EU, despite only having the vaguest sketch of a plan on how to achieve that. Given her slight majority and the appalling ratings for the Labour opposition, she demands an early election, ostensibly to get Brexit done. Crush the saboteurs, the papers cry! Surely her gamble won't fail.

It does. In 2017 the Conservatives lose their majority, and are forced into a confidence and supply arrangement with the DUP to stay in office. Any chance of passing contentious legislation is shattered, as just a handful of Conservative rebels can sway things their way. But the two year Article 50 process has already begun, and negotiations have to start. Now. After a long, torturous eighteen months, the semblance of a deal, the withdrawal agreement, is agreed. This includes the controversial Irish Backstop, which would see Northern Ireland effectively remain within the EU's Single Market and Customs Union, unless and until replaced by a trade deal that ensured an open border on the island of Ireland. But her deal took the UK out of the EU, at least on paper. Surely she'll not lose the vote on the deal.

She does. Three times, two of which prove to be the among the largest defeats in Parliamentary history. May's time in office, which had started so promisingly for her, comes to a sad, pathetic end as she's forced by her cabinet to resign shortly after agreeing a sixth month extension to the Article 50 process. The Conservatives once again embark on choosing a new leader, and Boris Johnson, promising to leave the EU do or die on 31st October 2019, wins the race. Boris Johnson, former Mayor of London, and lead figure in the leave campaign, declares his intent to get Brexit done. He even manages to get a new deal agreed with the EU, one that would replace the Irish Backstop, which was only meant to kick in if a trade deal couldn't be agreed, with an Irish Frontstop, which kicked in at the start, and sees Northern Ireland effectively remain within the EU's Single Market and Customs Union. This managed to unite what was left of the Conservative Party, so surely he won't lose his vote?

He does. Kinda. With Parliament refusing to allow the new Withdrawal Agreement to enter into UK law with only three days debate, he instead pushes for a fresh General Election, declaring his intention to break the deadlock in Parliament. He agreed another extension to the Article 50 process, this time to 31st January 2020, and Parliament quickly agreed on a new General Election afterwards. And here we are.

Oh, there's also a bunch of domestic stuff that's been utterly ignored, like nine years of austerity that's impacted our public services, the NHS on fire again, schooling in a mess, police numbers down, the Windrush scandal, the Grenfell Tower Disaster, continued low productive rates amongst the UK workforce, the Russians using chemical weapons on our soil, and the whole climate change thing that is going to destroy our planet. But that's not important.



Don't forget to register to vote! You have until midnight 26th November. You need to:
  • Be 18 or over on the day of the election.
  • Be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen.
  • Be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years).
  • Not be legally excluded from voting.
Register here.



We have set up a Discord for UK PoliERA. This is a lighthearted friendly community chat room, and you are welcome to join provided you keep that in mind! It's not official or anything.

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JediTimeBoy

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,621


Previous UK ERA Political Threads:


  • Do not attack a poster because of their party affiliation. We are above party partisan politics. Policies should, logically, dictate a poster's party affiliation
  • There is no need to reveal your party affiliation or who you have voted for in the past. If you are feeling pressurized into doing so, please feel free to contact a mod
  • If you are claiming something in an argument, use poll data or reputable statistics to support your argument.
  • Take into consideration the limitations of your data sources and the statistical methods that are employed.
  • The Forum Rules will be abided to.


In order of seats held at dissolution of Parliament. (Technically as of Midnight tonight there are no MPs)

Conservative Party: 298 MPs, Leader: Boris Johnson (Prime Minister)


Labour Party: 243 MPs, Leader: Jeremy Corbyn


Scottish National Party: 35 MPs, Leader: Nicola Sturgeon, Ian Blackford (In Westminster)


Liberal Democrats: 20 MPs, Leader: Jo Swinson


Democratic Unionist Party: 10 MPs, Leader: Arlene Foster, Nigel Dodds (In Westminster)


Sinn Fein: 7 MPs, Leader: Mary Lou McDonald, Michelle O'Neill (In the Northern Ireland Assembly) N.b. Sinn Fein do not take their seats in Westminster under their longstanding policy of abstentionism.


The Independent Group for Change, formally known as Change UK: 5 MPs, Leader: Anna Soubry


Plaid Cymru: 4 MPs, Leader: Adam Price, Liz Saville Roberts (In Westminster)

Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a political cartoon for the current leader?!!?

Green Party of England and Wales: 1 MP, Leaders: Jonathan Bartley & Sián Berry, Caroline Lucas (In Westminster)


There are, of course, more parties running, and the OP will be updated with links to their manifestos once they formally announce.



Once upon a time, the United Kingdom held the world at gunpoint, dominating a full 1/4 of the world in both population and mass, spreading it's political, legal, educational systems around the globe, including certain sports and of course the language we're all speaking today. Then the 20th Century happened, and for various reasons the British Empire receded into the past and the UK was left without a role, no longer the global superpower but instead a rainy island off the European coast. And so, after much torturous debate internally and externally, we joined with our European Neighbours in the European Economic Community (EEC) in 1973. This proved somewhat controversial at the time, and an undercurrent of resentment towards the move continued right up until the end of Thatcher, when the EEC evolved into the European Union (EU), complete with a Single Market of goods, workers, services and capital throughout. It was then, with the end of Thatcher and the rise of Major, that the Euroscepticism within our politics, mostly from the Conservative Party, that had laid dormant for two decades sprang back with a vengeance, giving John Major a hellish time in Parliament passing the Maastricht Treaty in 1992. A certain David Cameron, then working behind the scenes in the Conservative Government, learned an important lesson. Europe could destroy the Conservative Party.

Fast forward through the Blair/Brown Years to 2014/5. David Cameron has been PM of a Coalition Government with the Lib Dems since 2010, and he'd really like to ensure a Conservative majority at the 2015 General Election. But the Conservatives haven't won an election since 1992, and that thorny issue of Europe is cropping up again. He had to promise concessions to the Eurosceptics in the party just to become the leader, and now an up and coming new party, the United Kingdom Independence Party, led by Nigel Farage, is flanking the Tories from the right. So in order to appease the Eurosceptics and stop voters flaking off to UKIP, he promises a referendum on the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union. The plan works, and David Cameron is elected as the first Conservative Prime Minister since 1992. But now he has to deliver the referendum. He's rightly confident going into it, he's already seen off two referendums! Surely his gamble won't fail.

It does. In 2016 the UK votes to leave the European Union by 52% to 48%. Cameron announces his resignation the next day, leaving history to judge him.

The leaders of the leave campaign, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, take each other out before voting starts for the next Conservative leader. This leaves Cameron to be surprisingly replaced by Theresa May, who declared for remain, but stayed quiet during the campaign. She has a slight majority in the Commons, and manages to persuade Parliament to trigger Article 50, starting the formal two year process of the UK leaving the EU, despite only having the vaguest sketch of a plan on how to achieve that. Given her slight majority and the appalling ratings for the Labour opposition, she demands an early election, ostensibly to get Brexit done. Crush the saboteurs, the papers cry! Surely her gamble won't fail.

It does. In 2017 the Conservatives lose their majority, and are forced into a confidence and supply arrangement with the DUP to stay in office. Any chance of passing contentious legislation is shattered, as just a handful of Conservative rebels can sway things their way. But the two year Article 50 process has already begun, and negotiations have to start. Now. After a long, torturous eighteen months, the semblance of a deal, the withdrawal agreement, is agreed. This includes the controversial Irish Backstop, which would see Northern Ireland effectively remain within the EU's Single Market and Customs Union, unless and until replaced by a trade deal that ensured an open border on the island of Ireland. But her deal took the UK out of the EU, at least on paper. Surely she'll not lose the vote on the deal.

She does. Three times, two of which prove to be the among the largest defeats in Parliamentary history. May's time in office, which had started so promisingly for her, comes to a sad, pathetic end as she's forced by her cabinet to resign shortly after agreeing a sixth month extension to the Article 50 process. The Conservatives once again embark on choosing a new leader, and Boris Johnson, promising to leave the EU do or die on 31st October 2019, wins the race. Boris Johnson, former Mayor of London, and lead figure in the leave campaign, declares his intent to get Brexit done. He even manages to get a new deal agreed with the EU, one that would replace the Irish Backstop, which was only meant to kick in if a trade deal couldn't be agreed, with an Irish Frontstop, which kicked in at the start, and sees Northern Ireland effectively remain within the EU's Single Market and Customs Union. This managed to unite what was left of the Conservative Party, so surely he won't lose his vote?

He does. Kinda. With Parliament refusing to allow the new Withdrawal Agreement to enter into UK law with only three days debate, he instead pushes for a fresh General Election, declaring his intention to break the deadlock in Parliament. He agreed another extension to the Article 50 process, this time to 31st January 2020, and Parliament quickly agreed on a new General Election afterwards. And here we are.

Oh, there's also a bunch of domestic stuff that's been utterly ignored, like nine years of austerity that's impacted our public services, the NHS on fire again, schooling in a mess, police numbers down, the Windrush scandal, the Grenfell Tower Disaster, continued low productive rates amongst the UK workforce, the Russians using chemical weapons on our soil, and the whole climate change thing that is going to destroy our planet. But that's not important.



Don't forget to register to vote! You have until midnight 26th November. You need to:
  • Be 18 or over on the day of the election.
  • Be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen.
  • Be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years).
  • Not be legally excluded from voting.
Register here.



We have set up a Discord for UK PoliERA. This is a lighthearted friendly community chat room, and you are welcome to join provided you keep that in mind! It's not official or anything.

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OP, just in case, can you post a warning not to link to any dodgy sites, eg., that BFB one...
 

iapetus

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,454
Well, I have every confidence in the people of the UK.

To vote in a majority Conservative government and screw us all...
 

firehawk12

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,687
Not sure how I would feel if the electorate chooses to own itself and Boris manages to win a majority.
 

Ando

Member
Apr 21, 2018
395
change uk the independent group for change has passed away. RIP u will live on forever. cant believe it. i wanna run to u. really cant believe this. @
 

CD_93

Member
Dec 12, 2017
590
The opportunity of a generation to drastically change course. Let's not fuck this up.
 

Iggy

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,135
A new thread of dread and gloom.... Why do I keep coming back here to get more depressed every day?

That aside, great OP!
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,353
United Kingdom
Will be voting Labour. I'm in a safe Labour seat, but was tempted to vote for the Liberal Democrats due to their Brexit position, but can't bring myself to vote for Yellow Tories.
 

Brotherhood93

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,721
Nice OP

I was saying for months that we needed an election. Despite a lot being worried about a Tory majority I am still feeling pretty confident we can get rid of them and the disaster of today will hopefully have done some harm to the Tories in the polls. The Labour campaign has got off to a strong start and I see no reason they can't close that gap.
 

RellikSK

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,421
No fucking idea how this shit is going to go, hopefully we can somehow get the Tories out.

Safe Labour seat, so will probably vote Labour but might vote Green if Labour piss me off too much, during the election campaign.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,955
Aww, I was hoping to suggest the OT title

|OT|What is Labours position on Brexit?

haha, nice OT, the comics made me laugh
 

solidussnaku

Member
Nov 29, 2017
1,197
Here we go.



Oh and before a flood of people ask.


No, none of us know what could happen and polls at this this point indicate: shrug🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️


No, really.
 

Ando

Member
Apr 21, 2018
395
it’s nuts that the literal PM can simply say that the policies of jeremy corbyn, a moderate social democrat in scandinavia running a mainstream centre-left party, are akin to millions dying under the forced collectivisation of soviet dictatorship and this is considered fine and normal

this country is a disaster

 

Flammable D

Member
Oct 30, 2017
12,708
Happy new thread

I spent my evening at the wrestling watching people be murdered

Zack Sabre Jr showed up and we all chanted for nationalisation of the trains

Vote Labour
 

Acorn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,442
Scotland
it’s nuts that the literal PM can simply say that the policies of jeremy corbyn, a moderate social democrat in scandinavia running a mainstream centre-left party, are akin to millions dying under the forced collectivisation of soviet dictatorship and this is considered fine and normal

this country is a disaster

Most English voters lap that shit up, to them anything left of Blair is literal communism.
 

Koukalaka

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,661
Scotland
it’s nuts that the literal PM can simply say that the policies of jeremy corbyn, a moderate social democrat in scandinavia running a mainstream centre-left party, are akin to millions dying under the forced collectivisation of soviet dictatorship and this is considered fine and normal

this country is a disaster

Aside from everything else this is such a shitty way to launch, and typical of Johnson. Overly verbose yet without substance.
 

Streamlined

Member
Sep 16, 2019
187
Labour will be leading in the polls by the end of the month. I'll change my avatar to Tim Farron if I'm wrong.
 

solidussnaku

Member
Nov 29, 2017
1,197
it’s nuts that the literal PM can simply say that the policies of jeremy corbyn, a moderate social democrat in scandinavia running a mainstream centre-left party, are akin to millions dying under the forced collectivisation of soviet dictatorship and this is considered fine and normal

this country is a disaster


To much word salad. Its fucking complicated to follow and just meshes into a wall if text. You just check the fuck out after half the blurb.

Do more, tories.

Oh and for those who will likely ask, labour looks to be off to an really incredible start and has swarmed the country with thousands of highly, highly energised activists and organisers in less then a week. They have within a day of asking got 370 people to take a full week off of work and help them defeat to tories.

Momentum, a key arm of the labour campaign has almost raised a quarter of a mil so far in just under a week. They raised 260k in the 2017 GE, over 6 weeks. Yeah. They might very well get corbyn into no.10.

Labour's are also dominating the online and social media campaign. EVERYTHING points to a stronger, more focused, more influential campaign since last time.
 

Hagi

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,221
Corbyn is a communist so vote Tory, we promise we won't fuck you over. The run up to Christmas is kind of shit now so at least this will liven things up. I usually vote SNP but I'll go with Labour in the hope we can escape somewhat from this waking nightmare.
 

edgefusion

Member
Oct 27, 2017
947
Absolutely dreading this election, I have zero faith we're not going to end up voting the tories back in. After a decade of total fuck ups and cruelty I don't think I can take anymore.
 

Madison

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
6,287
Lima, Peru
go Labour! get those fuckers out of power before you end up defeating the US in the contest of "who can have the shittiest decade"
 

oledome

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,774


Alright lads, quick question, I'm currently registered for a postal vote, I want to change that so I get a polling card, how do it do that?
 

Kalor

Resettlement Advisor
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,607
Got to get all the hits covered early for a new thread, like this

 

kradical

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,737
The Tories really do seem to be stumbling heavy out of the gate. You hate to see it.
I thought there was no way the Tories would repeat the same mistakes of the 2017 campaign. Obviously there's been nothing as huge as the Dementia Tax blunder yet, but there are already signs it's playing out in the same way. Hopefully Labour will manage to take it a step further than 2017.
 

Huw_Dawson

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,391
London, United Kingdom
Isn't the Bromley Borough an interesting one to look at due to Boris brother stepping down?
Other than it being the seat where a pretty important by-election happened back in the sixties it's not likely to be interesting.

The interesting constituencies are places like Ribble Valley (as an example of Lab vs Con leave fights) and Enfield Southgate (as it's just one of those seats that does weird things).