UK coronavirus discussion (up: 27 March. Boris Johnson tests positive for Covid-19. Mild symptoms)

gerg

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think it's much more likely we're going to enter into a cycle of social isolation moving into more careful opening up of everything again, and then when infection rates increase, going back into social isolation. Most projections say it won't be until the beginning of next year that things will start to get properly back to normal, although the summer should be a breather for everyone as the virus retreats.
That was my understanding and presumption as well.

The arts industry is completely screwed. Well, most industries will be screwed.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That was my understanding and presumption as well.

The arts industry is completely screwed. Well, most industries will be screwed.
Same thoughts here as to the process until a vaccine is widely tested, proven and then distributed. That interim process will also be helped when the test for the virus is widely available, and when an accurate anti-body test is also widely available. The final item that would help smooth the cyclic process of opening and closing parts of society are one or more proven anti-virals to help treat live cases.

However until a vaccine arrives, I've got no idea what happens to those in the 1.5 million shielding group.
 

Syder

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Oct 25, 2017
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Agreed to do pharmacy runs for a few OAPs who live alone and have none / no nearby relatives, and I’ve noticed the age demographic flaunting the rules isn’t kids, it’s old people.

All week I’ve seen the elderly in 2s and 3s walking around like nothing’s happening and chatting at normal distances. It’s absolutely mental.
 

Oregano

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Oct 25, 2017
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Agreed to do pharmacy runs for a few OAPs who live alone and have none / no nearby relatives, and I’ve noticed the age demographic flaunting the rules isn’t kids, it’s old people.

All week I’ve seen the elderly in 2s and 3s walking around like nothing’s happening and chatting at normal distances. It’s absolutely mental.
Had to do a bit of shopping this morning as I didn't get bread last night(stupidly) and saw an old guy giving a young girl at a shop grief about being asked to stand back behind a line. They literally don't care.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Dundee, Scotland
People are idiots, have the Contact centre managers had much to say or is all the info coming from the senior manager workplace videos?

Feel like there’s a storm brewing in contact centres
CCM's are much like TL's in my experience, simply following the company line. At worst it's Blitz spirit, at best it's BAU. The drive is definitely coming from the top down on the daily calls.
 

Git

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Oct 26, 2017
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Seen a lot of deferrals to our chief medical officers here. Here's one of the deputies being alarmingly wrong about everything

 

gerg

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Oct 25, 2017
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Did i read Italy has more ventilators than us?
Yeah. The only thing that might make a difference now is either any demographic factors (which would be unlikely), the fact that Italy implemented a full lockdown slightly later than us, or any of the last-minute interventions we're now making (such as the construction of NHS Nightingale).
 

Mackenzie

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Apr 21, 2019
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Brighton
Yeah. The only thing that might make a difference now is either any demographic factors (which would be unlikely), the fact that Italy implemented a full lockdown slightly later than us, or any of the last-minute interventions we're now making (such as the construction of NHS Nightingale).
Can't see how huge new 'hospitals' are going to make a difference without ICU / ventilators - that is surely the key factor.
 

solidussnaku

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Nov 29, 2017
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How's everyone coping? I'm starting to unravel I think. Just nothing or no one to turn to for anything cheery.
Doing fine, plenty of options to keep myself busy.

This is a real emergency glass smash moment for all of us.

Almost anything and everything you ever wanted to do or experience in your own home or right near it, go for.

What we have is time and likely nothing but plenty of time. Make full use of it.

Don't be that guy/girl

No, we should all be that guy/girl right now. The rules are fucking clear, even though the government messaging wasn't.

Its shit, but it is what it is. The chief doctor today live at the government daily briefing laid out the black and white consequences of flouting the rules. There is no grey area.

I mean, who the fuck WANTS to live in a brand new virus hotspot??

It's a matter of life and death for 100,000s of people in the country and tens of millions worldwide.


I don't think there's any evidence or advice regarding the virus entering your body through your ears.
The NHS advises people not to touch the eyes, nose, mouth. It's the exception that proves the rule. If they thought there was a plausible infection/transmission route through your eardrum, advice would be widespread.
Right ok, I checked the ear transmission advice with 3 people, one medical student, one PhD microbiologist who will work with the disease and and an nhs consultant, all relatives. This was back in Feb.

I will ask them again, very likely the advice has changed.
 

solidussnaku

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Nov 29, 2017
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Can't see how huge new 'hospitals' are going to make a difference without ICU / ventilators - that is surely the key factor.

Less transmission of the disease.

Have the hotspots in the big new units rather then hospitals around the area that can seep over to the general public and keep the rate of transmission lower.


Even a 0.5 less R0 would be massive in the big picture of things.
 

iapetus

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Oct 26, 2017
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Time to align myself with Boris in one respect - now self-isolating. :( Our 7-year-old son has a fever, so time to start foraging for online shopping delivery slots... He's okay so far - just the fever and flu-like aches. Hopefully that's as bad as it gets.
 

Newman96

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Oct 27, 2017
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The thing getting me down the most is I really just want to see my dad more than anything. I’m not showing any symptoms and having been isolating but I know how awful I’d feel if he got sick afterwards
 

Azraes

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Oct 28, 2017
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London
Let's put it into perspective, the Wuhan Lockdown lasted 2 months and the economy restart will hopefully be ongoing but it seems like despire their measures they are going to see a stop-start and now it's starting to become a more political thing in terms of death reporting and things because the rest of the world is not in the best state.

May is the earliest we can see lockdown lifted given that late April is the peak in Europe; with a 3-4 week delay in the US. The economy restart is forecasted to be in late June now.

They will try to ease lockdown but with deaths increasing soon the first step would be to extend lockdown until the end of April (as is already happening in lots of European nations). More people will be dying and infected around then because of the peak that they'd increase it further till possibly week 3 of May if not later. You have to mentally prepare yourself now to stay in lockdown mode till early June else it's going to put you in a bad state.
 

Spookie

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Oct 28, 2017
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Wirral, UK
People are idiots, have the Contact centre managers had much to say or is all the info coming from the senior manager workplace videos?

Feel like there’s a storm brewing in contact centres
They just aren't taking it seriously. There is absolutely no reason for people to be in beyond skeleton staff to look after vulnerable customers. This is the company who has their sales team still open for fuck sake.