Star Trek: Picard - Season 1 |OT| Re-ENGAGE!

ArchedThunder

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I enjoyed if for the most part, I'm surprised they showed such restraint in not doing a big Starfleet vs Romulan battle and not have the extra galactic synths show up in the end and didn't have the Enterprise show up with more old cast members.
I'm not super down with the idea killing Picard just to bring him back.
Really shocked that there was no Soong twist.
Data's death was sad, didn't expect it to hit me that hard.
Wonder what the next season will be about, hopefully it's a little better than this season. I enjoyed this season, but it definitely could have used some work.
 

ArchedThunder

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I am 150% shocked that Lore had zero relevance to the plot, not even a name drop.
I'm pretty much just as shocked that they didn't reveal that Soong was Lore or an android in general.
 

liquidtmd

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It was watchable but for some of the themes of the show, it's fitting that it felt like a copy and amalgamation all at once

I did not like that they killed Picard and then merely brought him back in some kind of messy hybrid body. I didn't particularly care for the fact the episode really made explicit Picard's adoration and love for Data. Respect and devout friendship made sense, but hinging so much of the shows weight on this love felt just off kilter to me. There were sparks of potential with some of the new cast truly there was and I see the talent in them but they were let down scripting, the arc and individually

You didn't need the Federation to beam in hundreds of ships, nor did you need hundreds of Romulan ships to pronounce the threat. You can build threat and tension by a couple of ships. There just was a feeling a shallowness.

I hope we get a Series 2, as I really rate Terry Matalas (12 Monkeys) who they are bringing in as a show runner but Series 1 fell flat - and I'm really not seeing it through a lens of comparing it to TNG. If I didn't have that inbuilt enjoyment of Stewart, I would have dropped the show on its own merits mid season at best
 

VaporSnake

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Serviceable ending surprisingly. Found plenty of things lame as with the avg episode, but the character moments landed so I can't complain too much.
 

CommodoreKong

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Didn't really enjoy it much. I was surprised how restrained they were though. The Picard fake out death didn't do much for me since I knew he wasn't going to die and Data's death didn't do much for me either because he died already in Nemesis. Most of the new characters didn't do much for me and I still don't know why they even bothered with Elnor besides it gave them something to do in one of the episodes and they wanted some sword fights. I guess they've all forgiven Agnes for murder too?

Also as a fan of Federation ships I was pretty disappointed by the copy/pasted fleet. DS9 did so much better years ago.


I enjoyed how the big confrontation ended.

Riker: All good now?
Picard: [dying] I think so
Riker: You’ll keep them safe! K seeya m8
Entire battlefleet leaves system
Picard: [dies]
Yeah I noticed that as well. Felt weird Picard wouldn't say anything about being almost dead and Starfleet wouldn't leave at least a few ships in case there was some Romulan trickery like say a cloaked ship.
 

Combo

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Because that's a bullshit argument that pricks like RLM and comicsgaters use.
I don't know those guys. You cannot ban someone for that. Would Resetera ban someone for saying Yoshi's Island isn't a Mario game?

You ban people for harassing people and such things not for having an opinion. Wjat kind of sad person thinks it's ok to ban a person for saying PIC isn't real Star Trek?
 

Lump

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Lame overall story that felt like it was trying to be Mass Effect
Lame melodrama death scene that they just completely asspull reverse a few minutes later
Really lame “just use your imagination and it fixes things” tool, but also magically projects a bunch of ships - this dumb thing has to be the laziest fucking thing I’ve ever heard about in science fiction. It’s like a Doctor Who parody level of dumb.
No Q - Boooooo. If anyone should’ve brought Picard back, it should be Q. If you’re going to do asspulls, at least make them fun.

Good sprinkles of moments and dialog though. Some of the nostalgia was good throughout the episodes. There should be a series about Riker making pizzas more than there should be a series that just apes Mass Effect without actually being Mass Effect.
 

Combo

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You can talk about why you don't like it, and no one should try to silence that. But saying it's not real Star Trek is gatekeeping wank, and the ban is totally fair.
So this means that anyone who buys the Star Trek IP has the right to change it as they wish and no matter how big those changes are we have to agree with them that is it Star Trek?

That's a very unreasonable view to hold.

As long term fans we have every right to use our judgement to say whether or not PIC has the well-known characteristics of Star Trek.

BTW it's not gate keeping because I didn't say fans of PIC are not fans of old-Trek. And even if they didn't like old-Trek then it's still not gate keeping because they are welcome to like it and welcome to be a part of the community.
 

Arcade55

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I loved that there was no huge space battle at the end. I loved that Picard saved everyone with kindness and sacrifice and dignity.

If you can't see that that was the most Star Trek thing about that show then I don't know how to help you.
 

SRG01

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After watching S1, I really felt like this should've been compacted as a season opener of sorts because it establishes the crew and such.

Also, the Borg plotline could've been cut *completely* and we wouldn't have lost anything in the plot. WTF?
 

water_wendi

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Finished the finale. It was okay. The only thing enraging about it was that freaking E! commercial that used their jingle as an earworm. i think you could strip out almost everything out of the season and boil it down to a two-parter about
Datas acceptance of death.
Everything else is still in line with the Star Trek TNG movies: mindless empty action calories thats not worth a rewatch.
 

Eoin

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The made all the safe choices (except Jurati's continued acceptance as part of the crew, I've no idea what's up with that).

Normally that would not be the best choice, but after the last week, I think if they'd taken more risks they'd have probably gotten them wrong, so a safe-but-unambitious resolution to everything was probably the most we could have hoped for given the rest of the season.

So overall....5/10 for the season seems about right to me. There's a whole lot of improving to be done.

I'm guessing Narissa is also alive.
She totally might be. She's survived scenarios that were arguably worse. The thing is, though, her story is over. Her entire life was devoted to an organisation that has spent a thousand years or so manipulating the governments of the galaxy to prevent a catastrophe that Picard solved with a speech. She has no reason to be part of the series in future.

That doesn't mean she won't be brought back, of course, just that a return would be pointless until they gave the character enough new motivations and backstory to make a return worthwhile, and whatever they came up with would still be more suited to a new character than to Narissa.

Agnes is still a fucking murderer! Why is she running free? Even if you cut it down to the most generous terms of manslaughter that would still be a mandatory stay in a rehabilitation centre by Federation standards.
It's just weird. I guess their plan is not to tell the Federation anything and Agnes just has to hope that all of them can keep that secret forever.

Where do they go from here I wonder?
It'd be weird to go in any direction other than some kind of Borg-related storyline. They've done in-universe rehabilitation of synthetic life, meaning that the ex-Borg are now the most marginalised community in the explored galaxy. They have a crew that includes of two former Borg (including a very recently former Borg Queen), a cybernetics specialist, and a synth who spent time doing research on a Borg cube. It would make sense to bring that aspect of the series to the fore next series.

Btw, why did Riker say deflectors up? Shouldn't it be shields?

Synths instead of Androids, deflectors instead of shields...
I think both of these make sense.

Androids is an anthropomorphic word by definition, meaning a robot intended to imitate a human. In a galaxy where humans are one of many species, it makes sense to talk about synthetic life, in whatever shape it comes (whether it's intended to imitate another species or not) than to use the term android. "Android" applies perfectly well to Data, who is clearly intended to look human, but it's a narrow word and "synth" has a much broader context.

As for the deflectors....after Riker gives the command (it's not "deflectors up", it's "full power to deflectors"), the camera swaps to a head-to-head viewpoint of the two fleets and the Federation ships have a glowing blue effect applied, starting from the front of the ship where their deflectors are located. It's not an effect that I think we've ever seen before. We don't get to see what happens when those ships take fire, but it looks like maybe the Federation has made some significant changes to starship defence and terminology could have changed at the same time.

Plus arguably they should have been saying deflectors all along since the shields were extended by the deflectors.

I chalked it up to their main ship R&D facility getting wiped out 14 years ago and they just started copying/pasting what they already had.
They seemed a lot more advanced though. Riker even brags about how powerful his ship is. Admittedly, he could be bluffing, and that'd be a very Riker-like thing to do, but he really does seem confident that the Federation fleet, despite having been hastily assembled, could quite easily defeat one of the largest fleets we've ever seen in Star Trek.
 

Sotha_Sil

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I actually didn't hate the final episode. It still has that awkward writing that has plagued the whole season, but overall it was solid enough. Some random thoughts:
  1. What happened to Narek in the end? Do we care?
  2. The Borg cube is essentially not used at all.
  3. A reinstated reserve Captain is leading one of the largest Starfleet armadas of all time? It's Riker, so I'll allow it I guess.
  4. Riker flies off and Picard immediately dies. No last words?
  5. Did Starfleet stop making different types of ships?
  6. No one seems surprised Commodore Oh is a traitor? Can Starfleet really just let her leave with all the inside information she has?
  7. Data <3
  8. Is Elnor the most pointless character in Star Trek history?
  9. I laughed when Picard said another 10 years would have been nice.
  10. None of the synths seem to care that Dr. Soong incapacitated one of them in plain sight.

I'd give the season a 7/10. Four strong episodes (1, 6, 7, 8), three solid episodes (2, 3, 10), one mediocre episode (4), and two bad episodes (5, 9). Though 5 did have some of my favorite scenes from the series (Picard/Seven's conversations).
 

CorrisD

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It's a shame there wasn't some diversity in the fleet at the end. Both the Romulan and Federation fleets were clones.
It felt very cheap compared to say some DS9 battles. But I guess it's hard to justify it for a minute of footage.






I like the design though - tough ships. I see elements of the Abram's Enterprise (and USS Vengeance), even Battlestar in there.
I’m super interested to see where the design came from, we know that CBS contacted the Star Trek Online guys for all their lore and ships they had created over the years, we don’t know if anything came of it obviously, but the new ship looks very similar to the Arbiter/Avenger Classes, which are both the same ship just different varieties on the design.

The Avenger Class:

 

Fuzzy

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They seemed a lot more advanced though. Riker even brags about how powerful his ship is. Admittedly, he could be bluffing, and that'd be a very Riker-like thing to do, but he really does seem confident that the Federation fleet, despite having been hastily assembled, could quite easily defeat one of the largest fleets we've ever seen in Star Trek.
I'm not saying they stopped making improvements back then, just that they'd stop making such a wide variety of ships. It'd be like when GM cut stuff like Oldsmobile and other cars and focused on fewer lines. I can see how my post read like that though.
 

BossAttack

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As far as I'm concerned, Picard is dead. This android mimicking Picard is a totally new person and creepy to believe they are Picard.

Also, what about the Reapers? So what, Soji turned off the beacon, she still signaled them. Why can't they just trace the signal to its origin and come wrecking shit? The bell was rung, you can't unring the bell. The show just proved that the Romulans were right all along.
 

ArchedThunder

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As far as I'm concerned, Picard is dead. This android mimicking Picard is a totally new person and creepy to believe they are Picard.

Also, what about the Reapers? So what, Soji turned off the beacon, she still signaled them. Why can't they just trace the signal to its origin and come wrecking shit? The bell was rung, you can't unring the bell. The show just proved that the Romulans were right all along.
They did a mind transfer, he's no different a person than a person is different after being transported.
As for the Synths it looked like they were coming from a different dimension or something, could be that because the portal was closed they just won't come.
 

Guppeth

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As far as I'm concerned, Picard is dead. This android mimicking Picard is a totally new person and creepy to believe they are Picard.
I don't have a problem with it. Scanning and reconstruction is what happens every time someone uses a transporter. This time around he spent a few hours in the pattern buffer chatting to Data, but otherwise it's not much different.

Also, what about the Reapers? So what, Soji turned off the beacon, she still signaled them. Why can't they just trace the signal to its origin and come wrecking shit? The bell was rung, you can't unring the bell. The show just proved that the Romulans were right all along.
They come, but only if they're wanted. It's like if you break down and call a mechanic, but then manage to start the car yourself. You cancel them and they're fine with it. They're not evil, they're doing a service.
 

BossAttack

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They did a mind transfer, he no different a person than a person is different after being transported.


This is now a philosophical debate, in my opinion when you transfer your consciousness into a android body you cease to be the person you were but something new, even if you believe you're the same person.

I don't have a problem with it. Scanning and reconstruction is what happens every time someone uses a transporter. This time around he spent a few hours in the pattern buffer chatting to Data, but otherwise it's not much different.
Difference is that a transports, transports matter. It breaks your entire body down and reconstructs it the same as before. In this case, his mind was copied and then downloaded into an android body. He's a new person as far as I'm concerned. There's no reason they can't put that same consciousness in another android and have 3-100 Android Picards.
 

Guppeth

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Difference is that a transports, transports matter. It breaks your entire body down and reconstructs it the same as before. In this case, his mind was copied and then downloaded into an android body. He's a new person as far as I'm concerned. There's no reason they can't put that same consciousness in another android and have 3-100 Android Picards.
Riker has a transporter twin. They could probably duplicate that accident and photocopy human beings if they wanted. Maybe they always could, but made it illegal.
 

Eoin

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  1. What happened to Narek in the end? Do we care?
  2. The Borg cube is essentially not used at all.
  3. A reinstated reserve Captain is leading one of the largest Starfleet armadas of all time? It's Riker, so I'll allow it I guess.
  4. Riker flies off and Picard immediately dies. No last words?
  5. Did Starfleet stop making different types of ships?
  6. No one seems surprised Commodore Oh is a traitor? Can Starfleet really just let her leave with all the inside information she has?
  7. Data <3
  8. Is Elnor the most pointless character in Star Trek history?
  9. I laughed when Picard said another 10 years would have been nice.
  10. None of the synths seem to care that Dr. Soong incapacitated one of them in plain sight.
1. I'm pretty sure the synths still have Narek. Probably some people do care about him, but I don't. He does at least have more future potential than Narissa, but he was more plot device than character for much of the series so it's no loss if the character never appears again.

2. In this episode, not really.

3. Indeed, having Riker leading such a fleet is more plausible than a typical reserve captain. I do wonder though - it does look like a large armada, but maybe Starfleet got so badly stung by the Borg and Dominion that they now build in much bigger numbers and can deploy this kind of fleet much more easily than we've seen in previous series. When Picard made his report to Clancy in episode 8 and she agreed to help, she said she was sending a "squadron", which shouldn't be a word she'd apply an unusually large number of ships.

4. From Riker's perspective Picard seems normal. Picard may not have wanted Riker to worry about him or see him die. He didn't tell him about his condition a few episodes ago - Troi had to sense it from Picard (and Riker wasn't included in that).

6. Starfleet weren't in a position to do much about Oh in this episode. If Riker had demanded her surrender he'd have caused a huge battle.

8. Chakotay.

10. They were all too busy wondering what Rios was going to do with the football. (Plus Soong is basically their dad).

I'm not saying they stopped making improvements back then, just that they'd stop making such a wide variety of ships. It'd be like when GM cut stuff like Oldsmobile and other cars and focused on fewer lines. I can see how my post read like that though.
Yeah that clarifies what you meant, and does seem plausible.
 

Hey Please

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God damn that Data bit made me cry.

Question is what will they tackle in the next season given both recent ST shows have focused on an overarching main plot that takes up an entire season.
 

Lump

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Riker has a transporter twin. They could probably duplicate that accident and photocopy human beings if they wanted. Maybe they always could, but made it illegal.
They also had that dumb episode where everyone evolved into pseudo-animals and spider beasts and shit, then they magically turned back human with “dna repair” magic.
 

Agent Unknown

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Been too busy with games and other shows, last episode I watched was the one centered on Seven and her revenge arc which I enjoyed a lot overall (except for the rather unnecessarily brutal “prestige TV!” eye surgery death/torture scene), how has the consensus on quality of the other ones been overall? I’m really up and down with this show, I have to admit.
 

Guppeth

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They also had that dumb episode where everyone evolved into pseudo-animals and spider beasts and shit, then they magically turned back human with “dna repair” magic.
Basically everything that happens is fine because it's a crazy magic universe. There's no point asserting Picard is dead, because, in the story, he definitely isn't.

So....are they gonna drop that doctor off at the nearest starbase for murder charges? Cause anything else is bullshit
No. She feels really bad about what happened, and so she probably won't do any more murders.

I know, I know, but she feels really bad. She cried a lot.

There must've been a scene explaining how strongly she was mind controlled, and they cut it. And they shouldn't have cut it, because it was really important.
 
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Fuzzy

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God damn that Data bit made me cry.

Question is what will they tackle in the next season given both recent ST shows have focused on an overarching main plot that takes up an entire season.
I don't know but I can't wait to see Guinan again and how she may react to this new Picard.

I don't get why they didn't put Picard into a "younger" body so you can keep the show going forever though. That's basically what happened with Data and Soji.
Because nobody wants to make a Picard show without Stewart. Could you imagine if they did though and they brought back the actor that played young Picard from Tapestry or the kid from Rascals? lol
 

Muad'dib

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Been too busy with games and other shows, last episode I watched was the one centered on Seven and her revenge arc which I enjoyed a lot overall (except for the rather unnecessarily brutal “prestige TV!” eye surgery death/torture scene), how has the consensus on quality of the other ones been overall? I’m really up and down with this show, I have to admit.
TrekBBS and r/StarTrek seem to be very positive about it if you want Star Trek fandom reaction about it.

well episode 7 is probably the best one the rest is pretty much irrelevant with episode 9/10 being complete garbage
That's not a consensus, that's just your opinion.
 

Amnesty

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They did a mind transfer, he's no different a person than a person is different after being transported.
It depends. If they actually transfer his physical neurons into the body, then he could still be the same person, but those neurons would require the body to perform upkeep on them as they'd be organic material. If it's just copying the 'patterns' of his neurons, then it is indeed not actually Picard and would be a copy.
 

firehawk12

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I don't know but I can't wait to see Guinan again and how she may react to this new Picard.


Because nobody wants to make a Picard show without Stewart. Could you imagine if they did though and they brought back the actor that played young Picard from Tapestry or the kid from Rascals? lol
Tom Hardy! He's literally canon as a Picard clone!

I see someone beat me to it. lol