Star Trek: Picard - Season 1 |OT| Re-ENGAGE!

Nooblet

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wow what an utter disappointment this show turned out to be, I didn't expect TNG 2.0 but I also didn't expect this. It's a tired plot and it's executed quite poorly here. Farcry from Discovery Season 2.
 
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Soap

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I will give the last episode a try when it is out here and I have enjoyed it, but on average I would say Discovery is the better show so far.
 

Noodle

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The finale avoided any real fuck-ups but I still wouldn't characterise it as enjoyable.

The series was everything I feared - Star Trek Discovery starring Patrick Stewart as himself. Except this had way less starship porn.

What impact did the Borg have on the story? They had no meaningful contribution apart from "remember the Borg? Don't they look cool!"

Agnes is still a fucking murderer! Why is she running free? Even if you cut it down to the most generous terms of manslaughter that would still be a mandatory stay in a rehabilitation centre by Federation standards.

Those starfleet ships at the end were fugly. Two types that look near identical except for different nacelle angles and impulse engines. They looked similar to DS9 video game's Achilles class.

Everyone knew the Picard fake-out was coming. They picked the Mass Effect 3 green ending. Somehow I imagine Picard will still need to take a deep breath after speaking more than one sentence.

It sure was lucky that out of all the billions of humans in the galaxy, Picard picked one of the handful who was in on this abortive first contact mission with the synths as his chauffeur.

The series never really did a good job of sketching the wider universe. The old series, with its tiny reused sets, made it clear where everything stood. In Picard I kept wondering where were the higher authorities that controlled things like the Borg reclamation project or were the government of Riker's world. You would be forgiven for thinking Riker's family were the only beings on the planet.

As someone who's always wanted TNG/DS9 Romulans developed further, it's been a rough decade. Nemesis decapitated them and then focused on this hear-to unmentioned sub-race ruled by a human. ST09 had Romulan villains but they were a tiny crew unrelated to the civilisation. Picard has ripped the hear out of the Empire and relegated them to permanent refugees, with a retconned anti-synth core motivation.
 
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SG-17

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Oct 25, 2017
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Picard is by far and wide the best first season of Trek ever. I give it a solid 8, a far cry from Discovery's season 1 which I give a 5, and even its second season which I give a respectable 7.

It hit all of the right buttons for me. Pacing and writing were at times bad, but overall I loved the story and acting, particularly Patrick Stewart. I feel like this was the perfect epilogue to the life and adventures of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
 

Casker

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hmm overall I think this is a 6-7. The things that were good were real good but overall it's definitely abit on the slow side and how predictable it was made it abit boring (AI baaaaaaaaaaad zzzz). Those advanced AI beings looked fucked up though would have been interesting to see what they were actually like.

I'm also betting Narissa is still alive. Really hope not though.

Where do they go from here I wonder?
 

Soap

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Hmm overall I think this is a 6-7. The things that were good were real good but overall it's definitely abit on the slow side and how predictable it was made it abit boring (AI baaaaaaaaaaad zzzz). Those advanced AI beings looked fucked up though would have been interesting to see what they were actually like.

I'm also betting Narissa is still alive. Really hope not though.

Where do they go from here I wonder?
Given Gainanis confirmed back and The Doctor may also be back due to previous comments I don’t think we’re done with the Borg yet.
 

shaneo632

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Not gonna lie the last 10 mins got me in the gut, even if I thought the season as a whole was a mix of enjoyable fan service and extremely hollow sci-fi schlock.

Anyone else notice how absent Picard was through his own show though? Felt like they had to have 10-15 minutes of scenes per episode without Patrick Stewart to keep the costs down or something.
 

Noodle

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So all this fan feedback that you’ve been absorbing over the last few few months, has it informed on any level how Season 2 ended up being conceived?

No, not at all.
You do have Jurati and Rios couple up at one point. Certain sexuality gets exercised on the show.

Only in that one scene, though. In that case, it’s about Jurati, and what she’s done [when she killed her former boyfriend convinced it was for the greater good]. It’s actually not about sex at all or sexuality, it’s about her devastation, her isolation, her guilt. She’s self-medicating, essentially, with sex. It’s not there to say, Hi, here’s two characters and they’re heterosexual. It’s there to say, here’s a fucked up person reaching out to the person that, with a limited range of candidates, not only does she find most attractive, but objectively speaking, he’s incredibly gorgeous and he’s not wearing a shirt.
That last quote completely goes against what we saw at the end. That whole scene of people suddenly coupling up was poorly done.
 

Wrexis

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Nov 4, 2017
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It's a shame there wasn't some diversity in the fleet at the end. Both the Romulan and Federation fleets were clones.
It felt very cheap compared to say some DS9 battles. But I guess it's hard to justify it for a minute of footage.






I like the design though - tough ships. I see elements of the Abram's Enterprise (and USS Vengeance), even Battlestar in there.
 
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LewieP

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Oct 26, 2017
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The writers of Picard are absolute cowards.

Don't even really know where to start with my problems with it. I think what they were trying to do was inherently unambitious, and their execution on it could be generously described as clumsy.
 

Scuffed

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Oct 28, 2017
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I was loving the show but episode 9 was pretty bad imo. Just all very predictable and I hate the ole release the prisoner frame up bit. It's been done so many times. The android mind melding was also really stupid. There was actually a ton of problems I had with the episode. I'm not sure it can finish strong based on the plot points of the most recent episode and that sucks because I was really liking the show but I feel like it just went off the rails. We'll see I guess.
 

CorrisD

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Oct 25, 2017
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It was a fine episode, just a bit anticlimactic, they kind of paged the whole last episode before it happened, especially the fate of Picard.

I guess the planet will now become some sort of Synthetic/Cyborg home world with the androids and ex-Borg hanging out together. They kind of just used the cube to bring Seven along, and then seemingly forgot about them.

I think I was most disappointed with the fleets. All this budget and we get what, 200 Romulan ships with seemingly one variation for the command ship. Then there’s the Federation fleet, one bloody ship type with some minor changes between them, talk about disappointing. It looked like some weird child of the Arbiter/Avenger ship from Star Trek Online yet somehow worse. Visually the quality of the models looked much worse than the Discovery S2 finale too, I’m not sure what was going on there, I’m wondering if there was some rush to get the visuals done because it looked pretty sweet when all the Orchids were flying about and getting destroyed. They could have easily thrown in some jazzed up variations of the Defiant, Prometheus, or Intrepid classes in there, all of which were the height of Starfleet tech 30 years ago.

Still it was really nice seeing Riker In the captains chair for once, he looked great in the uniform too which I thought so far had looked a bit iffy.

I hope Picard makes a similar quality jump that Discovery did going into Season 2.
 

Red Liquorice

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Oct 27, 2017
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Haven't watched the last two episodes yet but I do intend to finish it off. Overall this was not what I wanted from a ST series and I'm out. I thought most of the characters were pretty dire, especially the bearded pilot guy who's hologram clone crew was insufferable. The sword guy was also completely one-dimensionally written.

Had the same kind of reaction to Discovery S1 too, so I wasn't expecting anything else but I do like to give things a fair shake, which I did.
 

Kai Dracon

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Yeah I did really like the design of the ships themselves. They do fit with a Federation that has steadily become more militarized over the course of 20 years.

In terms of legacy they look like what you'd get if an engineer scaled a Sovereign down into a frontline destroyer / gunship and used the stubby, bulldog frame of an Intrepid to reinforce it. Those things look like they could ram somebody and keep on going.
 

Fuzzy

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's a shame there wasn't some diversity in the fleet at the end. Both the Romulan and Federation fleets were clones.
It felt very cheap compared to say some DS9 battles. But I guess it's hard to justify it for a minute of footage.
I chalked it up to their main ship R&D facility getting wiped out 14 years ago and they just started copying/pasting what they already had.
 

Muad'dib

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Jun 7, 2018
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Reading the comments over here you'd think the series was a disaster, I started binge watching it last week, gotta say I'm loving it way more than Discovery, the conversation over at TrekBBS is way less bitter than here at least.
 

Soap

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Oct 27, 2017
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Uniformity in ships makes more sense and not less. It made zero sense that ships from TMP era were fighting the war in DS9 - in fact the only way fans made any sense of it is by assuming Starfleet had so few ships that they needed to pull the older ones back into service.
 

Combo

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I got banned from the r/startrek sub for saying this isn't real Star Trek! No wonder these places are filled with one-sided views.
 

DrForester

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Oct 25, 2017
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It was OK.

The show is still way too bleak, and I would have rather had a surprise Q resurrection than "oh, we made you a robo-body that will act just like your old body. Or even better, just drop the whole irumodic syndrome thing entirely. It served no point if they were just going to hit that reset button..


I like that they didn't do a big space battle, that was very unexpected. I didn't like that they just copy-pasted the Starfeet ships, especially when they didn't seem proud enough of the designs to even give us a close look at them. Looked like they just made a few alterations to the Nova Class ships.





Overall, it just felt a little incomplete. I was surprised that there was no surprise-guest later in the season. With the focus on AI, the absence of The Doctor seems weird. Seven not mentioning a single member of the Voyager crew also seemed like they were just ignoring the elephant in the room. No comment on Chakotay or Janeway. I'm guessing the writers don't want to put themselves into a continuity corner and are leaving it open. Just felt odd. And I also didn't care for her keeping the name Seven of Nine and having Anaka thrown at her like an insult. Given how Voyager and even Picard emphasize how much of a violation assimilation is, it really seems like the names should have been turned around, and "seven" been the insult.

Data and Picard stuff at the end was pretty good. And I am happy it didn't end with a cliffhanger.
 

TortadeJamon

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Dec 23, 2018
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Picard is by far and wide the best first season of Trek ever. I give it a solid 8, a far cry from Discovery's season 1 which I give a 5, and even its second season which I give a respectable 7.

It hit all of the right buttons for me. Pacing and writing were at times bad, but overall I loved the story and acting, particularly Patrick Stewart. I feel like this was the perfect epilogue to the life and adventures of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
DS9 Season 1 blows it out of the water, imo.
 

water_wendi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because that's a bullshit argument that pricks like RLM and comicsgaters use.
Well its not like any Star Trek ive ever seen. Its fine if thats the way it is now im just not going to watch and dont expect me to sit silently about it.

DS9 "wasn't Star Trek"
TNG "wasn't Star Trek".

It's a bullshit argument no matter what made up "facts" you support it with.
People arent saying this isnt Star Trek because it doesnt have GR behind it, the show doesnt take place on an Enterprise, or that there is no opening monologue. i'm saying its not Star Trek because its so completely tonally different its obvious from watching a single episode that they are going for something different. im fine with different too, but Picard is also bad.
 

TortadeJamon

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DS9 "wasn't Star Trek"
TNG "wasn't Star Trek".

It's a bullshit argument no matter what made up "facts" you support it with.
No it's not. We accept them as Star Trek now because they did well enough for themselves for a large chunk of fans to accept them. If they'd crashed and burned, I imagine people would be saying something different 20 years down the line.
 

sangreal

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's a shame there wasn't some diversity in the fleet at the end. Both the Romulan and Federation fleets were clones.
It felt very cheap compared to say some DS9 battles. But I guess it's hard to justify it for a minute of footage.






I like the design though - tough ships. I see elements of the Abram's Enterprise (and USS Vengeance), even Battlestar in there.
Yeah, that really stood out -- especially since they also through in the gimmick of creating hundreds of duplicate images of picard's ship
 

SG-17

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No it's not. We accept them as Star Trek now because they did well enough for themselves for a large chunk of fans to accept them. If they'd crashed and burned, I imagine people would be saying something different 20 years down the line.
The fans don't get to pick and choose what is or isn't Star Trek. You can not like it, you can even hate it but your personal opinions don't change reality.

I fucking hate Into Darkness but that doesn't mean it isn't Star Trek.

Its toxic gatekeeping bullshit that enables sexists and racists. There is a the subs and TrekBBS ban that kind of rhetoric.
 

Guppeth

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Well its not like any Star Trek ive ever seen. Its fine if thats the way it is now im just not going to watch and dont expect me to sit silently about it.
"It's a new direction for Star Trek and I haven't enjoyed it because x y and z" is fine.

"It's not real Star Trek" is arrogant. The people who create Star Trek decide what is and isn't Star Trek, and it's easy to tell what is and what isn't, because everything they call Star Trek is real Star Trek.

Even if they made the worst show ever made and 100% of the viewers hated it, it would be real Star Trek.

edit: late, like the Federation fleet
 

water_wendi

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"It's a new direction for Star Trek and I haven't enjoyed it because x y and z" is fine.

"It's not real Star Trek" is arrogant. The people who create Star Trek decide what is and isn't Star Trek, and it's easy to tell what is and what isn't, because everything they call Star Trek is real Star Trek.

Even if they made the worst show ever made and 100% of the viewers hated it, it would be real Star Trek.

edit: late, like the Federation fleet
Names dont mean much when the creators arent involved any longer. im sure theres people out there too that argue that Dungeon Keeper 2014 is "real" Dungeon Keeper because it has the name.
 

TortadeJamon

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The fans don't get to pick and choose what is or isn't Star Trek. You can not like it, you can even hate it but your personal opinions don't change reality.

I fucking hate Into Darkness but that doesn't mean it isn't Star Trek.

Its toxic gatekeeping bullshit that enables sexists and racists. There is a the subs and TrekBBS ban that kind of rhetoric.
Considering that fans have been including Galaxy Quest in their Star Trek film rankings for years, I'd disagree. And as for your gatekeeping comment, it's only as as "toxic" as the person making the argument.
 

GungHo

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Nov 27, 2017
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I enjoyed most of the episode. I thought for a moment there was going to be a slight swerve and Pill's character was going to use Chekhov's sonic screwdriver to fix his head, but they went with Chekhov's golem instead. I wonder if anyone else but the folks on the planet know Picard actually died. I wonder if the golem can cash in on space life insurance.
 

sam huge

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Oct 27, 2017
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Star Trek has always been a kind of comfort food for me, and this season satisfied that role well enough.

I don't see any merit in nitpicking something that so many people worked hard to bring into the world for us to enjoy. It's tiring and disheartening to read people's armchair show-runner analyses. Like really? I mean, if you were fired by the producers because your ideas were too good, I'm all ears. Otherwise please try to understand your Vision of Trek is not any more precious than the millions of others.
 

Nokagi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Boy that was quite the bit of nonsense I just watched. Cancel this and gimme the William Riker Making Pizza and Kicking Ass show.
 

Guppeth

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I enjoyed how the big confrontation ended.

Riker: All good now?
Picard: [dying] I think so
Riker: You’ll keep them safe! K seeya m8
Entire battlefleet leaves system
Picard: [dies]
 
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I liked it more than last weeks episode, which was surprising.

But overall this show was damn terrible. And its perfectly fine to say this is the weakest "Trek" out there. Just because it shares a few similarities with old Trek, doesn't make NuTrek suddenly great. All the plotlines were terrible, the characters were weak, hollow, no decent motivations at all or depth of character. They arent even likeable in any way, because they are so flat and sterotypical.

Old Trek made me laugh, but it also made me care about the characters. Yes the format was very different, but this new shit is just bad. It's absolute drivel. It's also pointless in the grand scheme of things.

What a waste of a tv show, how good this could have been even with a few adjustments to the horrible story that made no sense.

Fine if some of you liked it, not to rain on your parade, enjoy it all you want. But im gonna assume there are also loads of Trek fans who didnt like this at all.
 

Matt

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It’s as much “Star Trek” as any other parts of the tv and film franchise.

It’s just an absolutely awful part. Which makes it disappointing, but unfortunately not unique.
 

Amnesty

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Star Trek has always been a kind of comfort food for me, and this season satisfied that role well enough.

I don't see any merit in nitpicking something that so many people worked hard to bring into the world for us to enjoy. It's tiring and disheartening to read people's armchair show-runner analyses. Like really? I mean, if you were fired by the producers because your ideas were too good, I'm all ears. Otherwise please try to understand your Vision of Trek is not any more precious than the millions of others.
The plebs shouldn't open their mouths right?
 

sangreal

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Oct 25, 2017
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I enjoyed how the big confrontation ended.

Riker: All good now?
Picard: [dying] I think so
Riker: You’ll keep them safe! K seeya m8
Entire battlefleet leaves system
Picard: [dies]
when you put it this way, it really is pretty funny
I enjoyed most of the episode. I thought for a moment there was going to be a slight swerve and Pill's character was going to use Chekhov's sonic screwdriver to fix his head, but they went with Chekhov's golem instead. I wonder if anyone else but the folks on the planet know Picard actually died. I wonder if the golem can cash in on space life insurance.
since synths were outlawed until the epilogue (before which Picard must have followed through on his promise to get the law changed), I'd assume that nobody knows he died. I mean, why would they listen to an android?