- Oct 30, 2017
I'm so sick of her making excuses.
It makes her almost has bad as the other side.
It makes her almost has bad as the other side.
Should always be critical.
And that is her right as a private citizen.
Her experience is probably a bit more personal here and one I won’t agree with if she ends up not endorsing a potential Bernie nomination.It doesn't matter if she's running or not. Giving interviews where she gives the people who still like her permission to not vote for the Democratic nominee depending on who it is is shameful. People are just expressing how embarrassed they are of someone they once voted for.
This is why people are upset. The things she's saying are horrible. If my college buddy told me he wouldn't vote for the nominee depending on who it was I'd be upset too.
You are the one dodging here bud. You brought up Bernie's "apathy" in response to someone rightfully pointing out Hilary's protection of sexual predators.
This is some of the most blatant bad faith arguing I've seen here in a while.While Bernie is "to busy" to care about the issue at all. It took a large amount fo female staffers meeting with him years later before it would become a priority for his presidential campaigns. Hillary's terrible history with this but it pales to Bernie's apathy.
Next up: Obama. Because he is more scared of someone enacting actual change than a second Trump term.
This is a genuine concern yeah, I think I've seen polls of all the current candidates supporters chances of voting trump if they don't get their first choice and I think it was two camps got above 10% of their supporters who would.The vitriol in dem-related threads is so bad I wonder how many would rather vote for Trump, or not vote at all, than to vote for a dem they've been bashing for a year. The mature thing would be to vote for whoever is Trump's opponent, but I'm not seeing much maturity on display in dem-related threads or discussion online. 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump last time. Shit is worrying, despite articles claiming that won't happen again this time.
Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Almost getting something into law means nothing.
Fair enough. So here goes: I don't like Clinton and I think she's a millstone around the neck of your ostensibly left-wing party the same way Tony Blair haunts Labour like a vampire. I do like Sanders, and I personally share a lot of his ideals. God knows American politics needs a viable left. As does UK politics.
a normal person with some humility would realize she plunged the nation into four years of hell and would be thankful to fade into irrelevancy
Of course she has a right to say it. But it has influence and that's why people are calling it out. Again, it has nothing to do with her running in an election. If Obama came out and said the same stuff he would be met with the same response.
She didn’t beat him. Surely you campaign to win the EC not the popular vote
It’s just so weird to bring this up to defend Clinton. Like how many years did she spend demeaning her husband’s victims?
that's not what I'm mad at, his record is fair game.I still don't see the problem with saying that Sanders has a scant record of legislative success, though. And I think people who are expecting a sudden revolution if he's voted in should at least acknowledge that track record - no matter how irritating the person is who's pointing it out.
I think she's more referring to the fact that in 30 years he's essentially tacked some extra funding on a few programs via amendments, changed the name of 2 post offices in Vermont, and passed a Veteran's bill that anyone who co-sponsored would have gotten passed.
You could argue the Drone Program/Drone War in the Pakistani border, which was essentially backed by the Pakistani government was effective in dismantling key terrorist leadership and had a major impact on recruitment, the results can be seen today in the fall of organized activity in the region where the Drone Program mainly operated, which peaked in 08-13.
Almost all those bullet points aren't actually things lol
How delusional must you be to actually believe this. Are you white? A dude? Do you live outside the US? Are you under the age of thirty?
That's most of what he's accomplished since the 80s.
She's also more liberal than Democratic nominees tend to be, at least since the advent of the primary system (more liberal than Bill, Obama, Carter, at least.)
I wasn’t going to post in this thread because it’s a shit show, but fuck Glenn Greenwald. Essentially claiming that anyone who doesn’t like Bernie is a Russian operative? “The democrats are the real villains!” This dude is just trying to lock in those Tucker Carlson guest spots now isn’t he? Fuck him.
do I have irony poisoning?
do you really not understand why that tweet is funny?I wasn’t going to post in this thread because it’s a shit show, but fuck Glenn Greenwald. Essentially claiming that anyone who doesn’t like Bernie is a Russian operative? “The democrats are the real villains!” This dude is just trying to lock in those Tucker Carlson guest spots now isn’t he? Fuck him.
Right, but you've got to be in the mindset that the only accomplishments in congress are enabling racist drug policies and bombing POC in foreign countries.
It's because they're a cult more than anything. Their queen is beyond criticism. It's very Trump-like if you ask me.
Ah yes, it's her fault people didn't vote for her and fell for the obvious sexist propaganda machine and her endless email "corruption" (after winning the popular vote by millions)
I mean so far it's less avoiding and more thinking it okay when she and Obama did this shit and bad if anyone else did
lmaoI wasn’t going to post in this thread because it’s a shit show, but fuck Glenn Greenwald. Essentially claiming that anyone who doesn’t like Bernie is a Russian operative? “The democrats are the real villains!” This dude is just trying to lock in those Tucker Carlson guest spots now isn’t he? Fuck him.
Yeah, it is her fault for not campaigning nearly enough in those 3 Midwest states that she lost by a hair.
Its 100% true. Bernie"s impact in the politics of the world are far and above what Hillary has accomplished. Hillary will be remembered for losing both of her shots at the presidency while Bernie"s leadership has inspired a generation of politicians. Please remember that the day AOC gets elected president.
I mean.... Who else's fault would it be? The world's?
So you campaign to win over 270 people rather than hundreds of millions of actual Americans? Fuck no. Trump won because he bought his way into the White House. Why would you ever defend that?