Devs - A new sci fi miniseries written and directed by Alex Garland - Thursdays on Hulu

Lord Error

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In that, when the person/people actually look into the future and see it, it's locked in. Once you see it it can't be changed, because you saw it.

And in this shows universe, I assume the calculations are so accurate that the machine will know exactly how your brain would respond to seeing a recording of the future, so what you see would be what will happen because it knew you would try faking it out.

Or it would crash the computer. Maybe it knows that whatever vision of the future it would show you 20 seconds into the future could let you try to fake it out, so it would just crash and not let you see the future.
In this episode there were two small details that they didn't reveal so far:
Katie made a point in a small info dump that was clearly meant more for us, the audience, that one of their rules is to not look into the future. Perhaps at this point they didn't even program it to do so, but the show did establish earlier with that nematode simulation that it's something that could be possible, for at least 30 seconds. Forest didn't like the idea that it won't go farther than that because universe's future is naturally unpredictable, and said he likes better the explanation of not having enough computing power be the cause of that.
The other was Forest saying "We almost messed the universe", and Kenton replying, "but it's all good, we are still on your tram tracks". Which would imply that Forest knows it's possible to break the natural flow of determinism somehow, and that it would not do any good if that is done. Or maybe he was just considering the fact that the government would shut them down in an investigation over another suicide.
 
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TheNatureBoy

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Stewart and the younger Dev kid watching really vintage porn. The source code of viewing past events continues to be creepy, even with the grainy footage something about seeing real events is unnerving to me.

Same could be said for the giant statue of Amaya at the tech facility

I did not see the fake-out with Lily and her friend coming, glad that was the direction they went in.
 

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I loved this episode

In this episode there were two small details that they didn't reveal so far:
Katie made a point in a small info dump that was clearly meant more for us, the audience, that one of their rules is to not look into the future. Perhaps at this point they didn't even program it to do so, but the show did establish earlier with that nematode simulation that it's something that could be possible, for at least 30 seconds. Forest didn't like the idea that it won't go farther than that because universe's future is naturally unpredictable, and said he likes better the explanation of not having enough computing power be the cause of that.
The other was Forest saying "We almost messed the universe", and Kenton replying, "but it's all good, we are still on your tram tracks". Which would imply that Forest knows it's possible to break the natural flow of determinism somehow, and that it would not do any good if that is done. Or maybe he was just considering the fact that the government would shut them down in an investigation over another suicide.
There's also the old guy mentioning that it's strange for Katie of all people to talk about breaking rules, which implies she has broken them in the past. We do not know whether that was privacy or future, though.

I took the "broke the universe" and "tram tracks" to mean that Forest has delved in the future and is plotting something. I also took the weather talk with the senator to imply that, but that could easily be a fakeout.
 

Tremorah

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I didnt mind a bit more uneventful episode but i sure hope the characters dont get the plot points two episodes after we do thruout the series
 

Lord Error

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Stewart and the younger Dev kid watching really vintage porn. The source code of viewing past events continues to be creepy, even with the grainy footage something about seeing real events is unnerving to me.
What is especially unnerving is that what they are watching is really more like a morbid snuff theater where you have actors actually burning and screaming in pain, only they watch it through a grainy glass, and the actors are the exact replicas of people from our world. It's this kind of realization that made Sergei throw up. Something that people who work there are clearly able to switch off on their heads, and he couldn't.
 

gitrektali

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Uh, yeah this kinda fell off for me. Loved the first episode, and the second was decent too. This new one, on the other hand....the mystery just seems like it's lost.
 
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Uh, yeah this kinda fell off for me. Loved the first episode, and the second was decent too. This new one, on the other hand....the mystery just seems like it's lost.
there's only 1 mystery and that is what doesn't Forest actually know about the machine's abilities and has he used it without them knowing already. it seems he doesn't want Lily to die for more than oversight reasons
 

HMD

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Would love to watch this, too bad it's not available in my region. I don't know why streaming services with original shows don't go global at a discount.
 

hydruxo

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Uh, yeah this kinda fell off for me. Loved the first episode, and the second was decent too. This new one, on the other hand....the mystery just seems like it's lost.
It seems that way, but this is Alex Garland we're talking about. There's bound to be more to the mystery that he isn't hinting at just yet.
 

AcidCat

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We do not know whether that was privacy or future, though.
Yeah, I feel that was also kinda hinted at, that they had seen some type of future, when she was comforting Forest when he was sitting outside by the gold structures, saying something about how because they "knew what they knew" that the murder was OK even if he emotionally felt bad about it. Though that is pretty vague so who knows.
 

Lord Error

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Yeah, I feel that was also kinda hinted at, that they had seen some type of future, when she was comforting Forest when he was sitting outside by the gold structures, saying something about how because they "knew what they knew" that the murder was OK even if he emotionally felt bad about it. Though that is pretty vague so who knows.
I thought that was more like how knowing what they know proves no one is really in control of their decisions, so why feel bad about something that was unavoidable and you had no control over - kind of thing.
 

TheNatureBoy

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What is especially unnerving is that what they are watching is really more like a morbid snuff theater where you have actors actually burning and screaming in pain, only they watch it through a grainy glass, and the actors are the exact replicas of people from our world. It's this kind of realization that made Sergei throw up. Something that people who work there are clearly able to switch off on their heads, and he couldn't.
Definitely the Jesus and Joan of Arc scenes were eerie, although the Abe Lincoln and maybe soldiers walking were surreal.
 
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My friend pointed out how strange it is that all of the characters in the company that we see are in on this Sergey death thing besides the main character. Like does that security guy do literally all of the security for the building and Nick Offerman.
 

BlueTsunami

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Oct 29, 2017
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That opening is why this show is so enthralling. Possibly the most unnerving thing I've seen in a TV series. The ultimate question of the machine and what it is truly capable of is what is keeping me engaged. The girlfriend thread definitely feels like the weakest aspect of the show which is too bad. Ultimately flawed due to it. Offerman is killing it though in this role.
 

xir

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I’m half way into the first episode and is the thing basically what bigend wants in the blue ant trilogy but for reality instead of the stock market?
 

HotHamBoy

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This episode felt a bit perfunctory but I think it’s just teeing up a big movement in the next one
 

Armadilo

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I like the show but man oh man does the main actress act pretty cringe, like trying too hard and makes this thing seem super low budget
 

Rez

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hard to believe this is run by alex garland -- like, there are some interesting bits and pieces here and there, and I'm going to keep watching it, but some of the dialogue is truly awful. i'm not sure whether it's the delivery, or the script itself, or the way its edited, but it feels so stilted and inhumane. i lean toward it being more of a script problem, because if you zoom one level out some of the scenarios feel super first-draft. together, i'm never quite sure what tone the show is going for
 

TheIlliterati

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I honestly feel this show is pretty disappointing. Episode three is almost entirely spent on a ruse to get info we already know. I wish the show dropped the murder angle and focused entirely on the implications and drama surrounding the actual project.
 

ElectricBlanketFire

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I like that they totally no-sell
Jesus dying on the cross.

My wife and I were like...shouldn't they be making a bigger deal about this?
 

KingKong

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Yeah just tell the two pent up nerds to not look into the future because its the rules, that should work
 

choog

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I like that they totally no-sell
Jesus dying on the cross.

My wife and I were like...shouldn't they be making a bigger deal about this?
There's a concept called "Historical Jesus" that says it isn't all just Christian doctrine.
Seeing that a Jesus-like person was crucified would just reinforce this already existing historical theory.

Seeing the resurrection, on the other hand, would be a much bigger deal.
 

Pedro

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Oct 25, 2017
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Watched the first 3 episodes now.

While I was going through ep. 1, I thought the show was going to go more into the multiverse theory, with Offerman mentioning it while talking with Sergei, and that scene with Offerman and Katie talking near the golden pillars with the camera only showing their reflections on them, as if it were a reflection of their reality.

But no, it went on the *other* direction of what Offerman mentioned in that same convo :P I am very impressed with the show's atmosphere and sound design, though there 2 moments in ep. 3 that were hard to believe, one being Kenton leaving his pc, with info on the entire company, unprotected as Lily's friend successfully manages to find the cam footage of that one night in like 5 minutes, and the other being the flame vfx artist doing a shoddy job at making it look real. But those are nitpicks, I'm looking forward to ep 4!
 

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It just hit me while watching this week’s episode, and I felt really fucking dumb, but
Latin doesn’t distinguish U from V, so “DEUS” is always written “DEVS”
 

Kitad

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Feb 15, 2018
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The amount of religious imagery feels like overkill:
  • The halos
  • Nick Offerman looking a bit like Jesus
  • the gregorian chants that started the show
  • the devs building looking like a temple
  • the scene at the end of E01 where it felt like Nick Offerman was offering absolution
  • the scene where Nick Offerman cries (like in John 11: 35)
  • the crucifixion scene
  • the title of the show
  • etc...
If the show has nothing to say about the nature of religion and its use in the XXI century other than "Sillicon Valley execs feel like they are the messiahs of our time" (which is a very similar theme from Ex Machina), it will end up being really disappointing.

Also, on a more geeky confusion that I have: If you believe in deterministic theory (and my understanding is that this negates the quantum theory) then how do you square off the fact that qubits are a thing
 

SJRB

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Oct 28, 2017
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Just watched the third episode.

The opening was incredible, surreal and creepy, but when I saw the two Devs members
watch Marilin Monroe have sex I was like ehhhhhhh... You literally have the history of the entire human race at your fingertips, and you watch CGI amateur porn? Get outta here. It's also way beyond my suspension of disbelief how casual things are within Devs, considering what the machine does.

Nick Offerman's character steals the show. He is great in this. But I find myself dozing off whenever Lilly's arc is happening. It's profoundly boring, and I hate how this episode deals with stuff we as a viewer already knew two episodes ago. A waste of time.

I hope the show refocusses on Devs and the more conceptual/intellectual stuff and not the boring murder "mystery". Nobody cares. Hell, if I was in Forest's shoes I'd kill him too, considering what he did.
 

Kelsdesu

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Oct 25, 2017
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The amount of religious imagery feels like overkill:
  • The halos
  • Nick Offerman looking a bit like Jesus
  • the gregorian chants that started the show
  • the devs building looking like a temple
  • the scene at the end of E01 where it felt like Nick Offerman was offering absolution
  • the scene where Nick Offerman cries (like in John 11: 35)
  • the crucifixion scene
  • the title of the show
  • etc...
If the show has nothing to say about the nature of religion and its use in the XXI century other than "Sillicon Valley execs feel like they are the messiahs of our time" (which is a very similar theme from Ex Machina), it will end up being really disappointing.

Also, on a more geeky confusion that I have: If you believe in deterministic theory (and my understanding is that this negates the quantum theory) then how do you square off the fact that qubits are a thing
Like... Wouldnt you need a functional (albeit theoretical) multiverse to have superposition ?
 

Kitad

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Like... Wouldnt you need a functional (albeit theoretical) multiverse to have superposition ?
Exactly, you got me, dawg

Also, I hate the ex's angle in the first part of this show. Like you are finding a missing person/unconvering this massive conspiracy and you are still acting salty over a break up two years ago?
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like this show exposition dumps more than Garlands other work, but maybe i'm miss-remembering. Hopefully this work isn't dumbed up for TV.
 

Armadilo

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Just watched the third episode.

The opening was incredible, surreal and creepy, but when I saw the two Devs members
watch Marilin Monroe have sex I was like ehhhhhhh... You literally have the history of the entire human race at your fingertips, and you watch CGI amateur porn? Get outta here. It's also way beyond my suspension of disbelief how casual things are within Devs, considering what the machine does.

Nick Offerman's character steals the show. He is great in this. But I find myself dozing off whenever Lilly's arc is happening. It's profoundly boring, and I hate how this episode deals with stuff we as a viewer already knew two episodes ago. A waste of time.

I hope the show refocusses on Devs and the more conceptual/intellectual stuff and not the boring murder "mystery". Nobody cares. Hell, if I was in Forest's shoes I'd kill him too, considering what he did.
So it shows that script is pretty much horrible for this show, when the characters have to play catch up to what the audience already knows
 

Ablacious

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I don't understand why they had to use sfx in the footage if they burnt the body with gasoline. Is the repeating flame pointing to something else going on?
 

spam musubi

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I don't understand why they had to use sfx in the footage if they burnt the body with gasoline. Is the repeating flame pointing to something else going on?
The body they actually burned was already dead and just lying on the ground, they had to animate him burning himself and falling on the ground.
 

BlueTsunami

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Oct 29, 2017
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Anyone doubting Mizuno's acting chops, needs to watch Maniac. I feel that her character in this show is too normal and bland for her to really shine, if anything.
Yeah it really makes me question the direction she's getting. Maybe Garland wanted a more muted performance from her. It's not really working for me and comes off as stilted. I adore her character in Maniac. Such a fun character