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CNN reporting Switch as big winner on Black Friday

Dekuman

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't know what you mean by "deals like that". I'm just talking about a discount, not bundling in a 5 year old game that I already owned on Wii U. Like if they would have sold it for even $80 off without the game, I might have been swayed. I've owned every Nintendo console and handheld since the NES, except for the N64, so if I'm not the target customer, I'm really not sure who is.

There is no need to restate your bonafides. You seem to think they owe you a cheaper Switch (well there is the Lite)

My point is, if after 2.5 years and all the games out you still think Its too expensive , then you probably aren't the target market and maybe get something else or keep waiting. I'm not really saying anything beyond that.

Just like I'm not posting about the pricing of a product I know I won't buy at the current pricing.
 
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Matt

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At this point it would be shocking if Switch doesn’t pass 100 million.
 

Absolute

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At this point it would be shocking if Switch doesn’t pass 100 million.
This. The Switch is selling on the back of a great library. It's not being carried by casuals like the Wii was so I don't expect a sudden drop off in sales. People also seem to forget the DS when talking about the longevity of Nintendo consoles/handhelds. The only reason sales will drop off suddenly is if Switch 2 happens before it hits 100m.
 

Kawngi

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Oct 30, 2017
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While I'm not getting as much use out of my Switch as I'd hoped, I've still had some great times with it. But congrats to Nintendo for the continued success. After my time with the Wii and Wii U, I was afraid that they were headed in a direction I wasn't interested in.
 

LegendofLex

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Nov 20, 2017
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At this point it would be shocking if Switch doesn’t pass 100 million.
there are a few potential scenarios, all of which Nintendo has been guilty of at various times:

- Success goes to their heads and they greenlight more projects with poor market prospects

- It actually did peak in Year 3 and momentum slows after that regardless of what they do

- Declining software output as they shift to the Next Thing
 

Dekuman

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think the only way it doesn't is if Nintendo intentionally shortens its life span. Which seems unlikely.
I think what's more likely is the iPad approach. We may get a Switch Pro based on the Mariko chip and or a Switch 2022/3 with a brand new tegra chip and the sales just get rolled into the same segment and we can't tell what is what and all we can compare to are yearly shipments of hardware
 
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People can spin it how they want, but at the end of the day Nintendo has hardware on the market for those that don't want to pay the full price of a Nintendo Switch and it plays the same games.

Most if not all of their hardware sees sales drop hard in the final years when Nintendo releases lower-budget spin-offs and smaller titles because they shifted resources to their next platform. What are you seeing (or know?) that would lead you to believe this won't be the case for their current platform?
The fact that this is a radically different situation from previous hardware where they're combining both of their handheld & console outputs in a single platform. And the sales curve.
 

holeung

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Oct 28, 2017
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Nintendo should release their console with a similar timeframe of Switch from now on.

Switch launch = PS4 + Xbox prime years
Launch the system with a flagship title to steal the spotlight.

Switch prime years = PS4 + Xbox latter years
Library getting bigger and launch a cheaper model to expand the market.

PS5 + Xbox one successor launch = Switch latter years
Aggressive deal to dodge direct competition

Such approach can also benefit from having port of last gens from third parties.
People would double dip just for the handheld factor and definitive version.
Nintendo should not launch head to head with their competitors, as many third parties just chose to neglect them or cant afford developing for 3 systems simultaneously or the current system not capable of/needs lots of work to run a next gen game.
It will be an obvious flaw to see if launching H2H.
 

Champion

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Oct 28, 2017
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Nintendo should release their console with a similar timeframe of Switch from now on.

Switch launch = PS4 + Xbox prime years
Launch the system with a flagship title to steal the spotlight.

Switch prime years = PS4 + Xbox latter years
Library getting bigger and launch a cheaper model to expand the market.

PS5 + Xbox one successor launch = Switch latter years
Aggressive deal to dodge direct competition

Such approach can also benefit from having port of last gens from third parties.
People would double dip just for the handheld factor and definitive version.
Nintendo should not launch head to head with their competitors, as many third parties just chose to neglect them or cant afford developing for 3 systems simultaneously or the current system not capable of/needs lots of work to run a next gen game.
It will be an obvious flaw to see if launching H2H.
Ducking the competition doesn't guarantee success. Nintendo(like all gaming hardware manufacturers) should release hardware when games are ready to be showcased and released.
 

Champion

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The fact that this is a radically different situation from previous hardware where they're combining both of their handheld & console outputs in a single platform. And the sales curve.
Fire Emblem Three Houses - Koei Tecmo handled most of the development
Dragon Quest XI - Square Enix
Astral Chain - Platinum Games
Daemon X Machnina - Marvelous

And the list goes on.... It seems like they're publishing more games than they develop like usual. I dont see an issue with it, but it doesnt fit ur narrative. Where is this increased output you're referring to? What is radically different?
 

Zippo

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Dec 8, 2017
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People in here pretending the Switch is only successful in comparison to aging platforms when it's doing as well as they did at the same point.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Era is great for seeing which posters come in and downplay suceess, coming up with whatever mental gymnastics they can in order to justify why the console of their choice didn't "win". They don't even try and hide it.

It's embarrassing.
 

Buzzman

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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
 

Lelouch0612

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Oct 25, 2017
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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
I think we got a winner here !
 

GDGF

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Oct 26, 2017
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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
This is all so very disappointing.
 

skittzo0413

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Oct 25, 2017
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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
This reads like satire but I have a feeling it's not.
 

BlackJace

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Oct 27, 2017
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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
It was the kiddies the whole time huh
 

Puroresu_kid

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Oct 28, 2017
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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
Please lead me to all those kids with $300 in their pockets.
 

Garrett 2U

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Oct 25, 2017
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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
Only 3rd person adventure games count
 

Rhaknar

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Oct 26, 2017
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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
 

Champion

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Oct 28, 2017
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You could argue that a lot of the Switch's success in it's first year was due to them not going for that blue ocean crowd or children and families. Zelda, 3D Mario, and Xenoblade were their big games early on and I don't think those games are specifically marketed at kids and families. Yes, they released games like 1,2 Switch but the platform would have been DOA if that was the main draw.
 

smash_robot

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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
I'm so glad you didn't put a /s on the end. I know it's the soup-of-the-day on the internet now, but I feel that it's for morons and cowards.
 
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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
 

Mobu

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Oct 28, 2017
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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
KIDDIE GAMES BAD
 

Cyanity

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Oct 25, 2017
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This doesn't mean anything though. The family-like nature of the Switch means that developers are not going to be interested in putting their core titles on it.
The Ps4 will have sold better without attempting to pander to families. In a true head-to-head fight without gimmicks, Nintendo loses every time (N64, NGC,Wiiu) It's only when they decide to sell to a younger audience that they can even hope of reaching Sony.
lmao
 
Jan 10, 2018
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You could argue that a lot of the Switch's success in it's first year was due to them not going for that blue ocean crowd or children and families. Zelda, 3D Mario, and Xenoblade were their big games early on and I don't think those games are specifically marketed at kids and families. Yes, they released games like 1,2 Switch but the platform would have been DOA if that was the main draw.
Nintendo publically talk about it
PS4 went through four years of acceleration before starting its tapering 2014->2015->2016->2017.
The reason it was able to clear 100 million as easily as it did was because it performed at its peak for longer than is expected of a console (with four years of acceleration, rather than the traditional three).
Switch absolutely needs that to match it.


I'm not necessarily worried about the presence of software, I feel there will always be enough new releases on the system, from Nintendo and third parties alike. I specifically mean releases that can actually sell the system, and on that front it appears we are now in the realm of guesswork and speculation.
As already pointed out, evergreen titles. Also Zelda and Animal Crossing. Also a advertisement campaign disguised as Olympics and theme parks. They will be fine.