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British ERA: why do you sometimes pronounce
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Americans just believing something because of a fake quote? Damn, they've been like this from day one.
Also I don't think anyone says 'mama' or 'papa' unless they're taking the piss and I think a better representation would be a 'h' not an 'r.'
I've been wondering this too as I have a co-worker from Scotland that always does it.
Also the narrator in Peppa Pig always says "Pepper and George"
Also the narrator in Peppa Pig always says "Pepper and George"
"Arfterrr the ennnnnnnnd offfffffff worrrrrld warrrrr twooooo, the worrrrrld waaarrrsss splitttttt innnnn tooooooo twoooooo - Easssstttt and Wesssssssst"
My friends and family have, by and large, referred to ourselves as British over any of those. At least in the case of my family, we've bounced between England and Scotland frequently enough and have various upbringings either side of that border that the distinction is way too cloudy for us to tie ourselves that closely to either.
I'm afraid I can't contribute to the topic at hand since I've never heard anyone use Mama or Papa, intrusive R or no.
I agree with you. But I have heard it said a few times, albeit by a similar 'type' of person.
It's not ignorance. We literally are British like it or not. It's just fallen out of fashion recently. in the 19th century British was much more widespread even in Scotland.
As for the op - referring to ones mother and father as MamAH and PapAH is extremely upper class and possibly archaic at this point. It's the kind of thing that happens on Downton Abbey. We don't really use Mamma or Pappa either though.
Happily
Lei as in Leir as in King Lear, the possibly apocryphal ancient bythronic British king as related by Geoffrey of Monmouth (he of 'earliest record of King Arthur' fame) and latterly and most famously by Shakespeare. Cester as in chester as in castrum which is Latin for 'fort' or 'camp'.
so Leir Cester = the fort of King Lear
Leir cester -> leicester (pronounced lester) over time
It's easy to see how the pronunciation works if you know the root
Just seen this post. LMFAO
Do you think these period dramas in any way represent or even seek to represent modern British life? They are set in the pre-war period (amid the aristocracy no less), the 19th and 18th century respectively. We don't all ride horses as transportation or have live-in staff either, in case you were also wondering about that. We don't even have swords.
Sure, if you're some industrial middle class commoner oik. One must informally refer only to one's parents as mater and pater.
I still haven't figured out why Worcester is pronounced "wuuster"
Because when words get said a lot, people get lazy with syllables, at least in England. So the name went from whatever 'Wor' is short for followed by 'cester' meaning camp or fort to Wor-cester to wooster.
Any cester words the pronunciation is likely to be first syllable plus 'ster'
This has already been tackled on the first page, but although the Peppa Pig narrator has a semi-posh English accent, what you're talking about is different from the old landed gentry calling their parents mamarrrr and paparrrrr. That was an affectation, whereas inserting an "r" in between two vowel sounds is something common to a lot of English accents.
Next time you're watching Peppa Pig, you'll notice the narrator says "Peppa Pig" with no "r" sound after the first name, but "Peppar and George" because otherwise he'd be flowing an "a" and an "a" sound together, which sounds unnatural in his accent.
"India Office" is also a good way to test whether an accent has these intrusive "r" sounds in. I, for instance, would pronounce India as you'd expect in the sentence "I'm flying to India tomorrow," but I'd pronounce the country name slightly differently if I said "I'm flying to the India Office tomorrow". That would sound more like "Indiar".
EDIT: I forgot to say that I speak French as well, and there are similar principles in play to avoid two clashing vowel sounds. In French you have liaisons, where some words ending in a consonant (like "petit" for small) are normally pronounced with the "t" being silent, unless they're followed by another vowel. So "petit chein" (small dog) would sound like "paytee cheeayn" whereas "petit enfant" (small child) would sound like "payteet onphon".
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Call someone a Geordie in Sunderland and you get your head ripped off
. Sunderland dialect is Mackem btw.
Not true, my wife is from Boston and everyone in New England pronounces it as wuuster as well.
Yeah but who goes to Sunderland? i kid i kid.Call someone a Geordie in Sunderland and you get your head ripped off
Honestly had no idea that the accents were different.
Honestly I was trying to order stuff from the US once and this lady on the Target helpline actually said Warchester. She also completely mangled the rest of my address to levels I did not know possible.
You've either been playing the beginning of Dragon Quest XI or watching Emmerdale.
I'm Scottish, we replace 'i's with 'a's, but our 'r's roll off the tongue easily.
I'm Scottish, we replace 'i's with 'a's, but our 'r's roll off the tongue easily.
I don’t know why people are focusing so much on the words “mama” and “papa” since that’s not the point. But yes, I’ve heard things like “drawring” and Emma pronounced as “Emmer” if preceding a word beginning with a vowel.
No, he says Mah-rio, ya'll emphasising the wrong vowel, yo.
He only extends the a because he's being flamboyant.
I could do that too. It's a me, Paaankratous. Doesn't mean you don't pronounce the name Pankratous when speaking normally.
wow, I've never heard this explanation before. Makes perfect sense, considering I often hear this phenomenon also with New York and Boston accents too.
Thanks!
I read a whole post once explaining the pronunciations of names like Siobhan, Niamh (Neev), and Saoirse (Sursha). I don't recall the details from memory, but the explanation made perfect sense when they're broken down into their components.
Perhaps one of them could prepare drawring for us to explain.
Well yeah. The mistake is trying to compare it to English. The basis of Irish and English are completely different. You have to evaluate it within its own internal rule structure.
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I like it, its sounds elegant.
I know that (lol. dont't even have swords) I was just wondering if there was a situational rule as to when it is used, or I guess was used.
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Sorry about that :)
The rule is that you use it if it's both at least 70 years ago and you're in the aristocracy or maybe just the landed gentry
I describe myself as British. Always.
I grew up in England but have a parent from England and a parent from Scotland.