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Bob Iger: "Following 'The Rise of Skywalker,' Star Wars will go on hiatus"

Ryan.

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
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Those franchises are not the same

We do not need Frodo Baggins, a ring story. We do not need Ron Weasley : a potter story. Different franchises lend to different expectations and approaches.

Star wars is an epic saga event film franchise. They should stick with it at that
I agree but my point still stands.
 

Gunslinger

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Oct 27, 2017
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TLJ being a "2/10 trash fan fiction" movie is what is nonsense. These aren't perfect movies (not the OT trilogy either, and the PT is just trash throughout) but as far as blockbuster crowdpleasers go, TLJ is top tier. The only bigger issue is the middle that has maybe 5-10 minutes of filler that could've been trimmed, but something like that isn't enough to completely ruin a movie. Otherwise the issues are fairly minor (Rose kissing Finn was kinda bleh, Leia pulling herself to the ship looked silly).
To me it is 2/10 picture absolutely disaster of a SW film. The entire casino needs to be cut.
 

justin haines

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Nov 27, 2018
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Honestly, the quality hurt it more the quantity.

The spin offs at the same time as the last Saga was such a money hungry move.

Star Wars does belong to the the fans a bit and I think Disney learned that.
 

DSP

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They announced three TV shows. It's not much of hiatus for the brand.
 

SG-17

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I really hope any future films are set faaaar away from the 50BBY-50ABY century.
 
Dec 12, 2017
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I really feel like this is a ridiculous overreaction to a shitty idea that no one wanted. The Disney films average 1.1B WW with Solo included
When you see a string of $1B films across your 2 geek properties ( TFA, R1, BP, IW, TLJ, CM, EG) and then one fails to net $400M worldwide, it’s gonna stand out and the financial peeps will panic and over react.

It’s not the best but this is how shit works. If Solo had done, say slightly less than R1 numbers, we would likely have a Star Wars Story movie in 2020.
 

Surfinn

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When you see a string of $1B films across your 2 geek properties ( TFA, BP, IW, TLJ, CM, EG) and then one fails to net $400M worldwide, it’s gonna stand out and the financial peeps will panic and over react.

It’s not the best but this is how shit works. If Solo had done, say slightly less than R1 numbers, we would likely have a Star Wars Story movie in 2020.
I don't think there's a shred of evidence that suggests SW should be on a "hiatus" though. Extreme overreaction. Months after TLJ and shitty advertising based on a bad idea no one wanted. Even a Marvel movie would fail in that context IMO. Maybe not that bad of course but, it was just bad news all around.
 

Fj0823

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This is good for fans who like Star Wars being a huge event. Like myself.

You're out of your mind if you think Disney thinks this is good.
 
Dec 12, 2017
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I don't think there's a shred of evidence that suggests SW should be on a "hiatus" though. Extreme overreaction. Months after TLJ and shitty advertising based on a bad idea no one wanted. Even a Marvel movie would fail in that context IMO. Maybe not that bad of course but, it was just bad news all around.
I agree.

I also bet Iger is spoiled by the new norm of $800M-1B baselines for flicks.

When you add in Disney flicks like Aladdin 2019, Lion King 2019, TS4 and in two weeks, Frozen 2, hearing sub $400M for a SW flick prolly causes him to start asking questions and for heads to roll.
 

Surfinn

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I agree.

I also bet Iger is spoiled by the new norm of $800M-1B baselines for flicks.

When you add in Disney flicks like Aladdin 2019, Lion King 2019, TS4 and in two weeks, Frozen 2, hearing sub $400M for a SW flick prolly causes him to start asking questions and for heads to roll.
Yeah. I understand being concerned from a business standpoint, but my fuck there was no reason to ice SW. Come on
 

Cuburger

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Oct 28, 2017
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I mean it's all a silly discussion when there will be straight up more minutes of live action star wars content released in the "interim" than currently even exists. Also even the article in the OP points out this is basically just a reiteration of what was already the case.
Exactly.

The whole "Star Wars should be an event!/Star Wars was getting oversaturated!" sentiment is ridiculous. Solo and Rogue One are essentially the same type of spin-off content that the DisneyPlus shows will be and sequels of a new trilogy would still come out every 2-3 years at most regardless if there were any films being made in-between.

It's all semantics, but some fans seem to care so much about perception over reality.
 

Ether_Snake

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Oct 29, 2017
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Just make tv series, keep the costs under control, and forget about pulling another Marvel out of it.
 

Cranster

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lol. TLJ was only hated by pedantic nerds who nitpicked the dumbest shit/couldn't accept that the story went into directions they didn't like, and alt right shitstains of humanity who didn't get their white straight male protagonist single-handedly pulling down star destroyers from space or Rey in a sexy slave costume or whatever. General public was fairly positive about it.

A movie doesn't do almost 1,5 billion if it's a disaster and has a horrible word of mouth. If it was that much of a disaster, it would have probably failed to make a billy.

Solo bombed on its own accord. No one knew or cared about some no-name actor depicting a younger Solo, and they failed to make the story look interesting in trailers. May was also not the best time to release the movie.
Yeah this.

Also the other reasons why solo didn't do well is because it was released too soon and it was public knowledge that it had tons of production issues.
 

Temp_User

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I will always say that LucasArts NOT adapting and improving upon those 'terrible' but fan-favorited post-RotJ Star Wars Extended Universe characters and stories into post-Sequel trilogy movies was a huge strategic mistake by whatever story committee they have. It just potentially cost Disney billions of dollars. Changes in that story/lore committee needs to be made especially since Original trilogy nostalgia-pandering seems to be the only thing they are good at. Good for immediate results and job security, not exactly good for the IP in the long term.

Had they have faith on their own 'terrible' but fan-favorited written materials like the MCU, LucasArts could have easily sustained a one movie per year pace. Why put yourself in the same logistical nightmare as JK Rowling and her Wizarding World trying to create new lore on the fly to be adapted into movies when YOU already have 25+ years of post-RotJ lore and more to work with into movies? I bet LucasArts/Disney marketing wouldnt even have to insult its most hardcore fans with the constant and lazy PR droning of "Move On! Its Over! Get Over It!" to belittle their EU 'Legends' fandom investments and get them on-board the new SW timeline. Honestly, instead of a talking-down to, a Crisis-style storyline on the books to close-out the EU or a Star Trek 2009 Kelvin timeline reboot in TFA would have been a better option if you really want to on-board this type of people with the new SW timeline.
 
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I will always say that LucasArts NOT adapting and improving upon those 'terrible' but fan-favorited post-RotJ Star Wars Extended Universe characters and stories into post-Sequel trilogy movies was a huge strategic mistake by whatever story committee they have.
I think mining the old EU for good ideas then improving/fixing some of the broken shit was an ok direction to go, but I don't know if I'd say that not doing that was the reason why they need to put it on ice for a bit now.
 

CrabDust

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I'm of the opinion that they didn't over-saturate the market with Star Wars, they just squandered my interest with mediocre re-treads.
 

UltraMagnus

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Disney could do "Star Wars Story" spin-offs they just had to live with the fact that

1.) Same of them are going to do Solo tier business. Quite honestly some would probably do even less.

2.) You are saturating the general Star Wars brand.

They clearly weren't comfortable with that. TV is the natural outlet for a lot of these projects that they want to do.

Star Wars films, even the OT/PT/ST all see a significant drop in box office when there isn't a large gap in between releases.
 

Temp_User

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I think mining the old EU for good ideas then improving/fixing some of the broken shit was an ok direction to go, but I don't know if I'd say that not doing that was the reason why they need to put it on ice for a bit now.
I heard that Solo-type movies and its sequels was the business plan going forward but given its spectacular failure, LucasArts have to throw it out and start from scratch again hence the hiatus.
 

UltraMagnus

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I'm of the opinion that they didn't over-saturate the market with Star Wars, they just squandered my interest with mediocre re-treads.
If every movie you make has to live up to the "fans" expectations, of which Star Wars has like 20 different fan factions that all want different things ... then no .... you don't have a "saturation proof" franchise.
 

CrabDust

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If every movie you make has to live up to the "fans" expectations, of which Star Wars has like 20 different fan factions that all want different things ... then no .... you don't have a "saturation proof" franchise.
Sure, you can't make films that satisfy everyone - but they've had 5 years to tell me something new in a full galaxy across thousands of years. Anyway, when they announced the schedule of alternating side story/main line each year, I was stoked. Still think release cadence isn't the core issue here.
 

UltraMagnus

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Sure, you can't make films that satisfy everyone - but they've had 5 years to tell me something new in a full galaxy across thousands of years. Anyway, when they announced the schedule of alternating side story/main line each year, I was stoked. Still think release cadence isn't the core issue here.
The "full galaxy" thing is overblown anyway ... they have good Force users, some bad ones, smugglers, traders, rebels. Droids and wacky aliens like Ewoks and Gungans you're probably better off not making movies about.

It's not as diverse of a universe as its fanbase makes it out to be, Lord of the Rings is more diverse and doing a new Tolkien movie every year would be stupid.
 
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TDLink

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The "full galaxy" thing is overblown anyway ... they have good Force users, some bad ones, smugglers, traders, rebels. Droids and wacky aliens like Ewoks and Gungans you're probably better off not making movies about.

It's not as diverse of a universe as its fanbase makes it out to be, Lord of the Rings is more diverse and doing a new Tolkien movie every year would be stupid.
I always disagree with this take whenever I see it because it is derived from a pure lack of imagination. The Star Wars universe can be anything and fit almost any type of story. That is what is so magical about it. Lucas knew this, which is why he pushed for it to constantly innovate and explore new things throughout all 6 of his movies as well as The Clone Wars, and encouraged the EU to explore many other facets he never did as well. Star Wars can be all those things he and others have explored, most of which haven't been revisited all that much, as well as many more things that have yet to be visited at all. Just because the current crop of Disney Star Wars products is devoid of that kind of imagination does not mean the franchise is limited.
 

Fj0823

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Imagine where we'd be if Solo never existed
Probably watching Obi-Wan Kenobi and awaiting for Episode X

I always disagree with this take whenever I see it because it is derived from a pure lack of imagination. The Star Wars universe can be anything and fit almost any type of story. That is what is so magical about it. Lucas knew this, which is why he pushed for it to constantly innovate and explore new things throughout all 6 of his movies as well as The Clone Wars, and encouraged the EU to explore many other facets he never did as well. Star Wars can be all those things he and others have explored, most of which haven't been revisited all that much, as well as many more things that have yet to be visited at all. Just because the current crop of Disney Star Wars products is devoid of that kind of imagination does not mean the franchise is limited.
Yep, this "Everything must look like a backwater, crime infested, shady planet full of cables and bulky tech otherwise it doesnt FEEL like Star Wars"is total bullshit that is holding the franchise back.

Lucas knew this.

Star Wars can have a chocolate surfaced planet one day and a TRON Looking city the other and end the Trilogy on a planet with blue sand and liquid Nitrogen Geysers. Potential is limitless, fans just don't want to exploit it.
 

Vegeto

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Great, then take your time, put a group of people together to work a couple of years on a great story, with consistency and complexity for a new triology. New new movies look great, have a cool cast, but damn the story and worldbuilding are just awful.
 

Fuchsia

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As someone who enjoyed SOLO and Rogue One, the news that we won’t get a theatrical Star Wars film for a long time doesn’t exactly thrill me. I’ll take as much Star Wars as I can get. I’m also a massive fan who eats everything Star Wars up though so I understand those who feel it needs a break.
 

UltraMagnus

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I always disagree with this take whenever I see it because it is derived from a pure lack of imagination. The Star Wars universe can be anything and fit almost any type of story. That is what is so magical about it. Lucas knew this, which is why he pushed for it to constantly innovate and explore new things throughout all 6 of his movies as well as The Clone Wars, and encouraged the EU to explore many other facets he never did as well. Star Wars can be all those things he and others have explored, most of which haven't been revisited all that much, as well as many more things that have yet to be visited at all. Just because the current crop of Disney Star Wars products is devoid of that kind of imagination does not mean the franchise is limited.
Lets also put that into context ... the Clone Wars movie bombed hard and the Clone Wars TV series never really a ratings juggernaut past the premiere, Disney opted to axe it fairly quickly.

SW fans need to be able to view things from the POV of non-fans or very casual fans.
 

TDLink

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Lets also put that into context ... the Clone Wars movie bombed hard and the Clone Wars TV series never really a ratings juggernaut past the premiere, Disney opted to axe it fairly quickly.

SW fans need to be able to view things from the POV of non-fans or very casual fans.
Okay, so, you clearly are one of those people who have some sort of weird bias against TCW I guess?

The Clone Wars movie wasn't good, we all know that -- it also wasn't even supposed to be a movie. They stitched the first four episodes (basically the pilot) together into a movie and threw it into theatres, it was a bad idea. That says absolutely nothing about the quality and variety of the 6 season, 120+ episode series.

And your ratings comment is just absolutely untrue nonsense. Ratings being irrelevant to the series' quality, and my statement, aside -- Past the premiere (which was the highest rated new show premiere for any Cartoon Network show), the series continued to be an extremely strong performer for the network until its cancellation. And it's important to note, Cartoon Network never cancelled it and it was planned to go for 8 seasons.

Disney axed it when they bought Lucasfilm because the cost per episode was too great, it was on a competing company's network, and they wanted a clean slate/to move away from the "Prequel" era of Star Wars/reboot it. They clearly realize that was shortsighted in hindsight, but what are you gonna do.

Regardless of your own opinion on TCW, it expanded the Star Wars universe in a positive way, was generally well received by both critics and fans, and created an entire new generation of fans -- Ahsoka especially is one of the most popular characters in the series now. There are people who grew up with TCW as "their Star Wars". Disney is starting to realize this and is going to cater this subset of the fanbase more as time goes on.

"Non-fans" and "very casual fans" just want good movies. Doesn't matter whether they're like the OT, or like the prequels, or like TCW. Although I would think even they tire from the exact same limited scope (that is basically extremely similar to whatever the OT did) that most of the Disney Star Wars products so far have been comprised of.
 
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I think the only case for market saturation is that they released Solo. Otherwise I thought it was great the pace at which they were releasing the main films.

I'm gonna miss not having SW movies come out. The hype was unreal when TFA came out!
 
Dec 12, 2017
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Okay, so, you clearly are one of those people who have some sort of weird bias against TCW I guess?

The Clone Wars movie wasn't good, we all know that -- it also wasn't even supposed to be a movie. They stitched the first four episodes (basically the pilot) together into a movie and threw it into theatres, it was a bad idea. That says absolutely nothing about the quality and variety of the 6 season, 120+ episode series.

And your ratings comment is just absolutely untrue nonsense. Ratings being irrelevant to the series' quality, and my statement, aside -- Past the premiere (which was the highest rated new show premiere for any Cartoon Network show), the series continued to be an extremely strong performer for the network until its cancellation. And it's important to note, Cartoon Network never cancelled it and it was planned to go for 8 seasons.

Disney axed it when they bought Lucasfilm because the cost per episode was too great, it was on a competing company's network, and they wanted a clean slate/to move away from the "Prequel" era of Star Wars/reboot it. They clearly realize that was shortsighted in hindsight, but what are you gonna do.

Regardless of your own opinion on TCW, it expanded the Star Wars universe in a positive way, was generally well received by both critics and fans, and created an entire new generation of fans -- Ahsoka especially is one of the most popular characters in the series now. There are people who grew up with TCW as "their Star Wars". Disney is starting to realize this and is going to cater this subset of the fanbase more as time goes on.

"Non-fans" and "very casual fans" just want good movies. Doesn't matter whether they're like the OT, or like the prequels, or like TCW. Although I would think even they tire from the exact same limited scope (that is basically extremely similar to whatever the OT did) that most of the Disney Star Wars products so far have been comprised of.
Good post.
 

skeezx

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even if Solo did good i think they'd still roll it back, not everything can be gauged with box office receipts. star wars just doesn't have the cultural panache like you'd expect pre-merger
 

jelly

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I wonder what the working relationship is like between Cameron and Disney. I imagine he gets the benefit of doubt.