Y’all did nothing of note pre-iPhone, Nokia was laughing circles around Windows Phone. Second swing was better but mistakes were made, and many of them I can’t see truly chalking up to being distracted.
Cockiness got the best of that venture. Assumed you had time to improve. Ballmer’s iPhone funeral and totally missing what made the iPhone a splash proved that.
But hey, could be. Sure.
Yup.Windows phones were around long before Android was ever a thing, y'all just fucked it up Bill. (I loved my Palm Treo with Windows but still)
It didn't really help that the main company they needed apps from was also a major OS competitor at that point. Google pretty frequently uses the "you don't have enough users for us to invest in" for one of their products (YouTube for instance) as an excuse to hobble competitors of other products. Its one danger of having single companies compete in so many different markets, and the reason we regulate monopolies like them.As a former windows phone user that liked the way the OS felt... nobody made apps for it, I'm not sure why, I guess it was the forced requirements from Microsoft on the dataformat or a submission/validation process that nobofy wanted to do?
Windows phone came late in the game and was never able to build a sizeable market share, which meant that apps really struggled to make money on it.As a former windows phone user that liked the way the OS felt... nobody made apps for it, I'm not sure why, I guess it was the forced requirements from Microsoft on the dataformat or a submission/validation process that nobody wanted to do?
Windows Mobile 6.5 came out 2 years after the iPhone, and it felt really outdated next to it. It was just an attempt to slow the bleeding until Windows Phone came out. I think that whole windows mobile OS was always gonna be a dead-end, it's very hard for me to see it evolving to a credible consumer OS, and MS didn't seem to think that it could either.Maybe they would have had a chance if they stuck with the Windows Mobile 6.5 interface. It was very similar to the iOS and Android UI's at the time.
Yeah, and then they shelved it, decided no one wanted it, decided to not even put any R&D into the idea at all. If Apple hadn't finally given us the iPad the idea might still just be collecting dust. (Also Apple had prototypes and concepts of tablets way back in the '90s too.)I believe it. They had a lot of ideas in the 90s and early 2000s. The surface concept was shown off in 2002 by Gates.
Yeah, it probably wouldn't have beaten out iOS, but it probably would have staved off Android. I mean look at this, it looks like early Android and was way more capable than iOS. It's not in the video, but you could see your system resources on your phone and the file system. Windows and Android would have fought over the Power Users.Windows Mobile 6.5 came out 2 years after the iPhone, and it felt really outdated next to it. It was just an attempt to slow the bleeding until Windows Phone came out. I think that whole windows mobile OS was always gonna be a dead-end, it's very hard for me to see it evolving to a credible consumer OS, and MS didn't seem to think that it could either.
It had no multi-touch support and it only got an app store kinda late and it was awful. The whole experience just wasn't great. I think moving to a totally new OS with Windows Phone 7 was the right move from a technical perspective, they just got there too late, but I don't think trying to patch windows mobile into an iphone/andriod competitor was ever gonna work.Yeah, it probably wouldn't have beaten out iOS, but it probably would have staved off Android. I mean look at this, it looks like early Android and was way more capable than iOS. It's not in the video, but you could see your system resources on your phone and the file system. Windows and Android would have fought over the Power Users.
That's the problem.
It was pretty, but ran molasses slow, and doing anything with it was a huge pain in the ass.Yeah, it probably wouldn't have beaten out iOS, but it probably would have staved off Android. I mean look at this, it looks like early Android and was way more capable than iOS. It's not in the video, but you could see your system resources on your phone and the file system. Windows and Android would have fought over the Power Users.
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I had a ZuneHD and that shit feels more modern than a lot of UI. It’s a shame the design language failed on Windows, Xbox, and WPI had a Windows Phone for a few years, and thought the OS was much sleeker and more modern than what I have with Android now. Shame.
Preach.Windows Mobile was godawful. Also : I'm glad the Metro UI died.
They announced one last month, it runs Android with a custom skin.Bring on the Surface phone. We need more OS competition in the phone market.
Eh, not a fan of the tablet/phone hyprid. Neat tech but it's too big. Also I think the folding thing is a few iterations away from being the ideal choice but it's not there yet. Needs to be smaller and more fluid. I don't mind MS chasing that tech since it has potential but I wish they release a more traditional Surface phone in the meantime.They announced one last month, it runs Android with a custom skin.
I think that picking os based on form factor and size is smart in both directions.Yeah, no, Bill.
It wasn't the "antitrust woes" that made the whole "Windows on ARM" experience hell - the Windows mobile division tried and tried again and barely made an OS worth using. Also, add a shitty update policy - Got a Windows Phone 7 device? Yeah sorry, no upgrade to Windows Phone 8 for you.
Microsoft didn't focus on Mobile not because of Anti-Trust issues but because they still thought of the mobile OS as some kind of after thought, an entry drug into Windows 8.
Windows Phone happened during the "Windows 8 on everything! On your Xbox! On your phone! On your PC! On your Tablet" (or "Metro" on everything) era.
It's not that Microsoft didn't just try hard enough. Oh, they tried. But they failed.
Like... fuck - y'all remember the Microsoft KIN?!
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And i have no idea if it's smart or just super dumb that these two upcoming, similarly looking, similarly branded devices run two vastly different operating systems. (Windows 10X vs. Android)
I don't disagree with that - i strongly believe that it was smart for Apple to never try to "merge" iOS and macOS, but merely streamline them.I think that picking os based on form factor and size is smart in both directions.
The metro UI was too bland and ugly. It's hard to like it. It's still present on the Xbox One UI and I hate every pixel of it.
Yeah, this. I'd say the OS was amazing, tho. But everything else is like you said.Yeah, no, Bill.
It wasn't the "antitrust woes" that made the whole "Windows on ARM" experience hell - the Windows mobile division tried and tried again and barely made an OS worth using. Also, add a shitty update policy - Got a Windows Phone 7 device? Yeah sorry, no upgrade to Windows Phone 8 for you.
Microsoft didn't focus on Mobile not because of Anti-Trust issues but because they still thought of the mobile OS as some kind of after thought, an entry drug into Windows 8.
Windows Phone happened during the "Windows 8 on everything! On your Xbox! On your phone! On your PC! On your Tablet" (or "Metro" on everything) era.
It's not that Microsoft didn't just try hard enough. Oh, they tried. But they failed.
Like... fuck - y'all remember the Microsoft KIN?!
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And i have no idea if it's smart or just super dumb that these two upcoming, similarly looking, similarly branded devices run two vastly different operating systems. (Windows 10X vs. Android)
I find it interesting that while win10 can run gangbusters on just about anything they still went android for the surface phone
It's not weird at all. There's one word that explains it all: Apps.Yeah it's so weird. Considering that the Windows 10 paradigm was largely built out of the expectation of use with, like, embedded devices or portables using tablet interface methods (i.e., the touchscreen over mouse or trackpad) I'm kind of amazed that they went that direction. Sometimes with Microsoft it really feels like the coordination between groups is nearly nonexistent, despite the way that they've been consolidated over the years.
windows isn't as lean as linux android kernel or bsdI find it interesting that while win10 can run gangbusters on just about anything they still went android for the surface phone
The original iPhone was not good. Far too expensive, 2G only. But look the killer apps are right there. Safari, YouTube, Google Maps and iPod.
This right here. Judging by some of the replies, it’s been so long that people either have forgotten or weren’t old enough to realize that simply being able to watch stuff portably in a suitable way (as in not on some shitty 4:3 2” screen or on an unwieldy “portable” DVD player), surf the web, AND be able to listen to all your music carried over from iTunes on a single device was huge. And being able to get on YouTube? On your phone? Crazy. It meant you no longer had to carry around multiple devices anymore. Everything entertainment-wise was right there.The original iPhone was sold as a full-screen media player + web browser + phone. That was a huge deal in 2007.