Australia coronavirus discussion

Cvie

Member
Oct 25, 2017
585
they really need to keep asking why every other country is closing schools and why our advice is different
 

DrSlek

Member
Oct 29, 2017
5,074
Our fearless leaders look overseas, they see how all of these measures have failed there, and they say to themselves "Maybe it will work here!"
 

Dmax3901

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,690
Is the current evidence that children aren't getting COVID19 at the same rate as older groups or that they just aren't as vulnerable as other groups?
 

JasonV

Member
Oct 25, 2017
546
He also said "We don't want schoolchildren roaming the streets" - You know exactly which schoolchildren he's talking about. Blatant dogwhistling.
I keep hearing this bizarre fear about school kids roaming the streets like some delinquent leather jacketed gang from the 50s. What the fuck does he think is going to happen?
 

DrSlek

Member
Oct 29, 2017
5,074
Doesn't want to mess with people's livelihoods....after shutting down the fucking hospitality industry and putting tens of thousands of casual workers out of work.

Bite the fucking bullet!

I keep hearing this bizarre fear about school kids roaming the streets like some delinquent leather jacketed gang from the 50s. What the fuck does he think is going to happen?
 

igordennis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
291
From midnight tomorrow night these activities will no longer be taking place
  • Cafes limited to takeaway, as announced on Sunday
  • Cinemas, nightclubs, casinos, gambling venues, adult entertainment venues, concert venues, stadiums also announced on Sunday
  • Amusement parks and arcades
  • Indoor and outdoor play centres
  • Community and recreation centres, health clubs, fitness centres, yoga, barre, spin facilities, saunas, wellness centres, boot camps
  • Personal training is limited to a maximum of 10 people
  • Social, sporting-based activities, swimming pools
  • Weddings and funerals are subject to social distancing rules,
  • Galleries, museums, national institutions, historic sites, libraries, community centres, nonessential facilities, community facilities such as halls, PCYCs
  • Food courts and shopping centres will no longer be able to continue, though takeaway can continue
  • Auction houses, gathering in auction rooms
  • Outdoor and indoor markets will be addressed specifically in individual states and territories
  • Beauty therapy, tanning, waxing, nail salons and tattoo parlors
Did he address construction sites? I gather they are going to keep running for now since i don't see anything about it on your list, but all the blokes at work are going to work everyday constantly wondering how long we are going to keep working for. A lot of uncertainty... People worried about how they are going to pay their bills and mortgages since a lot of them are not included in the relief package.
 

Window

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,409
Maybe... we should have an actual working welfare system to absorb the blow of the economic crisis?

Crazy idea huh.
This is a humongous blow which the Australian economy has probably never faced before. We should have had a better welfare system before this happened but I think the system would still have trouble coping.

Though I wonder how some progressive European countries like the Nordic countries are faring.
 

Antiwhippy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,512
Businesses aren't going to get the business to sustain themselves anyway. Who's going to go to footlocker to buy $200 sneakers when the economy is in the lurch? Businesses are going to have to seek assistance either way, or seriously downsize.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,144
VIC, AUSTRALIA
The longer this goes on before a full shutdown the more and more people that will die and end up unemployed in the long term.

The longer this goes on before a full shutdown the more businesses that will die and never come back.

We already know that a large amount of people who contract the virus don't have symptoms. We already know that kids can carry the virus. WE CLEARLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE ANOTHER SCHOOL HAS TO BE SHUTDOWN IN SA DUE TO A KID AND A TEACHER GETTING THE VIRUS.

Shut it down now because in 2 weeks time we will hit our peak. If you wait, the peak will be higher.
 

Antiwhippy

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Oct 25, 2017
27,512
This is a humongous blow which Australian economy has probably never faced before. We should have had a better welfare system before this happened but I think the system would still have trouble coping.
I mean having a better welfare system is a start.

Just because it can't be perfect doesn't mean it shouldn't be better than it is now.

Especially when the Libs specifically target Centrelink and have been making it worse.
 

partyhat

Member
Nov 3, 2017
124
Highly sceptical on that one
Did he address construction sites? I gather they are going to keep running for now since i don't see anything about it on your list, but all the blokes at work are going to work everyday constantly wondering how long we are going to keep working for. A lot of uncertainty... People worried about how they are going to pay their bills and mortgages since a lot of them are not included in the relief package.
Which state are you in? I’m a civil engineer in design consultancy and Transport and Main Roads in QLD has deemed construction an essential service in order to keep the economy going. Projects are even being fast tracked.

Caveat being I got this advice this morning, but I doubt it has changed.
 

danm999

Member
Oct 29, 2017
7,928
Sydney
It’s pretty clear he’s trying to minimise economic damage somehow hoping we won’t be impacted in terms of infection like every other country.

Madness.
 

JMizzlin

Member
Oct 29, 2017
565
My housemates and I are at a bit of an impasse. I'm staunchly of the mind that schools need to close to prevent transmission and keep teachers (and families)0 from risk.
They argue that a) everyone taking their kids out of school will be a too large of a hit to the economy as people stop working, b) kids shouldn't have their education disrupted.

My counter arguments to this are that both of those things are absolutely going to happen regardless, be it now or in a few weeks, and that the only way out of this financial turmoil is for the government to intervene financially in a big way (which they agree is necessary).

As we spoke ABC put up a banner saying a school of 110 + 8 staff had closed due to successful tests of both teachers and staff. I suggested schools will either close with students & staff safe or inevitably close once the virus appears in the community. This didn't sway them.

Am I mad? Is there any compelling reason why we should be keeping schools open? Am I correctly reading that the government is trying to maintain the economy for as long as possible before they need to bail it out?
 

Psittacus

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,185
My housemates and I are at a bit of an impasse. I'm staunchly of the mind that schools need to close to prevent transmission and keep teachers (and families)0 from risk.
They argue that a) everyone taking their kids out of school will be a too large of a hit to the economy as people stop working, b) kids shouldn't have their education disrupted.

My counter arguments to this are that both of those things are absolutely going to happen regardless, be it now or in a few weeks, and that the only way out of this financial turmoil is for the government to intervene financially in a big way (which they agree is necessary).
You're correct, they're trying to delay the inevitable and making things much worse in the hopes that it will magically get better
 

Antiwhippy

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Oct 25, 2017
27,512
Also luckily I bought my own clippers so I can do my own hairdos anyway.

So who wants to come over for a hairdressing dinner party? Only for 30 minutes though.
 

EatChildren

Wonder from Down Under
Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,526
Everything should be shut down because the population of 24+ million cannot be trusted to coordinate and consistently stick to strict social distancing, not just due to the inherent difficulty of this by virtue of population volume, but also while the government keeps places of human gathering (namely shopping centres and schools) fully active and numerous businesses still operational. It's a contradiction; stern word of warning to maintain social distancing and not panic buy and stay inside, yet in the same breath encouraging the importance of businesses remaining operational because the economy depends on it.

A strict national lockdown is the only tool we have in fighting a fucking virus. Otherwise these graphics are going to continue curving upwards.



And as they peak higher and higher the infection rate will get further out of control. The data is all there, no room for ambiguous interpretation, and we have a mountain of evidence on the effectiveness of responses and consequences of failing to act in other nations.

Obviously shutting down everything is going to take a sledgehammer to our economy in a time where it'll be felt hard. But a hard knock now with a faster turnaround will benefit us much, much better than trying to drag our knuckles and sustain the economy as is while the viral situation gets worse. It's yet again another contradiction; the argument that the economy is already suffering from the virus so we can't shut things down, yet data clearly indicating it's only going to suffer even worse in the near future.